I would imagine that Right now yuou can get an 04 for about $25-28,000 bucks with the $3500 rebates Maybe less I dont know. Thats not a bad price IMO and where they should have started all along.

Ive been trying to figure a way to afford one but with resale on my 00 GTP not all that great and having just dumped $2,000 into the suspension and maintenance stuff, and the car running and driving like a dream, AND a baby on the way, and me not having a ton of disposible income, it just doesnt make financial sense right now. and it would be an impossible dream to get my wife to agree. (she is too practical and sensable)

Had they priced the 04 under 30k and not tried to gouge customers, they would have probably sold ALL of them and not had to have had any sitting on the lots. I bet the dealers will tack on $5,000 or more to the 05 sticker. They just dont learn.