About this problem of migration into your country?
Be free to answer whatever you think no matter i'm mexican, i really want to know you're real opinion, i know it is a real problem for both sides.

If they do it legally great. If they are doing it illegally and expect me to pay for their wellfare then F em.

I second that.

To elaborate on what Herc said:

I don't even have an issue if they enter illegally and work to make a living (they are even paying into Social Security for crying out loud).

But I don't like illegals using hospitals, welfare, medicaid, etc. To me, those are only rights of US citizens.

I also don't agree with the law that says a mexican family can come to the US illegally, have a baby, and then legally become citizens just because their child is a US citizen. That's just another loophole I don't like.

If someone wants to come to the US legally, more power to them. I'll welcome them with open arms. But for people who come illegally ahead of the waiting lists of those who are trying to be legal citizens, they should not get the benefits of a legal US citizen.

If there is work and they are legal who cares.

Isn't that the whole point? I think UMfan summed up my thoughts on the matter. I assume everyone has heard of the Minuteman project down in AZ... my view on that: If the US Border Patrol can't do its job, someone has to.

Wow, i notice you have very sharp opinions about this issue, which i wont coment cause, as mexican, my opinion would be subjective, and is not the goal of my topic to start a division here. But is very interesting and of course VALID your position. Cause all i have is what notices on TV show (mexican and american networks)

No offense to anyone living in this country, but I think that America is for caucasion Americans and noone else. Everyone else can go back to their own damn country! If it wasn't for Africa importing people, the crime rate wouldn't be so high!!

so, theres no caucasion criminals?

please i do not want to be offensive at all ok?, i just like to share points of view.

He is being sarcastic Alex.

Ups, sorry, is difficukt to me to catch those things...

Yeah, I was just yankin' your chain. But seriously I'm not a big fan of immigration. I just think it should be kept to a minimum, even though we're importing people from different countries left and right.

This country was founded on immigration. As long as it's all done legally what's the issue?

Then wouldn't you say that everybody who isn't Native American should leave????

I think most of our opinions are pretty much the same so far.

We are all decent American, hard working guys. We don't have anything against immigration. We just don't like people using our resources or being here illegally.

If I'm understanding how others feel, I think that about sums it up.

Alex, how would you feel if your hard work that went into a really good hospital and school was supporting a bunch of Americans or Columbians, or Brazilians that came into your city illegally? Wouldn't you think it's unfair that your money is paying for them?

I'll have to agree with everyone else, If ANYONE wants to move to america, and does it legally, I have no problem with that at all.
Also, I know several people that moved here legally from Mexico, and they are living quite a bit better (better paying jobs, etc.) than the illegals.

I remember an old editorial cartoon that was in our paper a while back. It showed a white guy in a black suit complaining about imigrants and how they should all go back to their own countries.
The next caption showed an American Indian asking if he can help pack the white guy's bags.

^^^^^^^Funny...I woulda passed out laughin at that one.

Alex, I've never been to Mexico myself, so I'm kinda curious. Are the jobs and living conditions so bad down there that people are will to risk so much to come here?...I guess I just figured that things would have improved down there over time. I was under the impression that the free trade agreement was to create more jobs south of the border so mass immigration would slow down. Once again, just curious, you have a job and a car and a home right?...are you considered to be in the upper income class of people down there?

Well, actually Mexican's are considered white so technically I think they would still be allowed in after this statement. Has to do with the US obtaining Texas and not wanting non-white landowners like the Mexicans that were living there at the time. But on the issues of border hopping, I couldn't care less who gets in. In fact my one friend has been loking into the history of his familly and he is pretty sure they made up his last name after hopping the border because he can't seem to find anybody named Abitua. As long as a Mexican woman dosen't sneak in just to have a baby as an American citizen and get welfare they are fine in my books. How else am I going to get stuff at Walmart for 10% of the price?

It's a hard thing for me to have a definitive opinion on - because there are so many different circumstances and reasons behind leaving your home country. My mother's family didn't come here from Europe until 1930's, whereas my father's family has been here since 1700's. Having spent the greater part of my life in southern Arizona I can say that illegal immigration is a serious issue, and does have a negative effect on the economy and job market, locally and nationally. However, there are some places/countries that it is not necessarily possible or feasible to leave legally, so they don't have all the options available other than "sneaking" in. Whereas it does piss me off to see people who could have legally transferred citizenship to the US but chose to take the easy route of just crossing a border. Now those people have to hide their status and work under-the-table jobs and they complain? If they'd gone about it the right way then they wouldn't have to worry about it. I could go on and on, but that's the short of it, in my opinion.

About trades and agreements, they are ok, but they are not designed for masses, but for big companies, and we (in Mexico) have masses of poor people. Yes everyone ust migrate in the legal ways but is not possible cause there are thousends of people trying to go to USA, and there are Americans that use this disadvantage to make a profit of it, cause they pay very very cheap the workhand, and is a symbiosis, ilegal, but there are 2 parts involved in it. is a very difficult social problem naturally caused for the money distribution.
About my opinion on what would i do if foreign people were living on my taxes, of course i wouldn't support that, i try to "walk on your shoes" and you have the reason but still think that hunting humans is not the "homo sapiens" solution.

I am also part Mexican...my Mother is probably 85% hispanic (spanish, mexican) and the rest a mix of some native american and I think one of her great-great grandparents was Irish. My dad is white, english, scottish, irish. I am pretty sure on most of these.

Anyways, I think immigration is fine as long as it is legal and as long as the person is not expected to be to be a harmful part of society (which I would assume is part of getting in in the first place). I live in Texas and lots of people are illegal here in Houston...

Well I may have a little different take on things being a Canadian,We own several houses here in Texas and I maintain a working crew between 4-6 men I hire mostly wetbacks because I find they will work very hard and complain very little,as a Canadian immigration is very easy all I require is a passport and I must cross an international border every 6 months unless I want to find employment which I do'nt,as far as Mexico I have been there a few times and I can see why many want to immigrate to the US it is a relatively poor country and most live in poverty,eg:on my last trip to MX. I was talking to a bartender on the subject of wages ,his wages for a week were 350 pesos for 5 -12hr days this would be about $35usd,do'nt be so quick to judge these immigrants wether legal or not most are hard working honest people just trying to get by,Chico.

The proper word to use here would be Mexicans.

How ever what you are doing is wrong. Immigration is good but must be done legally. I'm not saying your illegals are bad people but it's situations like yours that increase the temptation to cross illegally and live off of our hard payed tax dollers.

I spot a general misconception ..

They may be earning "our money" and "stealing our jobs", but they still pay taxes, and let's think for a moment where that money is going. Mexico imports OUR goods, so most of that money is coming straight back into our economy.


Our economy needs a jumpstart, by the way.


I agree, even though sometimes that isn't so much the case. We've recently hired a crew of Mexican Americans where I work, and they've taken on the job of a completely new division in our company without a hitch. From what I've learned about the Mexican and South American culture, I've come to respect it. Culture may be changing though, probably because of us "damn kids". I do respect the deep feelings they generally have for family and tradition; it's what brings them here to work in the first place.

Um what taxes do they pay if they are being paid under the table? And when they come over illegally and have their baby in a US hospital who pays that? Definately not the illegal. I lived in a souther CA agriculture community for a few years and most of the people working the fields were there legally on work visas doing the same jobs only legally. There visas were good for six months at a time. When their visas were up they returned to their home and allowed one of their relatives to come over and work for six months. These familys were very happy with that arrangement.

I just wanted to make sure no one was going to be offended by the term.
And I guess I should have used the term "Illegals", instead of Mexicans.

Yep. Do some google searches. You will learn about hospitals and school in CA, AZ, and TX that are all being forced to close because so many illegals are coming into the country and using these resources without paying for them.

For some reason, I seriously doubt that's the ONLY reason they're being shut down. I know teachers get crap for pay, and a lot of them are unhappy, and I'm sure many of them quit or something along those lines. Also, I'm just as sure that the demographics have just as much to do with the shut down as anything else.

But um .. regardless of what we can argue here, it's still happening and we can only speculate. :p

(And that money is still coming back to our economy whether it's taxed or not.)

Well this become very interesting, and i haven't realize it.

Anyway if you look a red GT all wet, trying to gear to 3d. and leaking coolant, please don't shoot!!!

Let me explain a little ,the reason I hire illegals is because my labour force is day labour and my forman is a TEX MEX and the only workers available are usually illegals ,but as far as taxes I pay my forman as a contractor so I believe he would have to pay tax as such ,its not so much by choice as necessity that i use these people that said I still find them to be hard workers and since I do'nt speak spanish I do'nt hear a lot of complaints ,I do think that most of them would be legals but the immigration process for a lot of these people with little education is just too convaluted. Chico.