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#61170 - 03/21/09 10:09 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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So...because one source contradicts what all the others say, you're going to believe that one?

Whatever. Your car, not mine.
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#61171 - 03/21/09 10:10 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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i dont have those tires, just making a point across.
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#61172 - 03/21/09 10:46 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Bridgestone/Firestone tires are known for this issue. This is why I will NEVER NEVER buy them....
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#61173 - 03/21/09 11:05 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Okay, yall. Sorry that this has become a flame war here. Here's the facts.

Entering Trinity, TX, my tires were doing JUST fine. No rumbling, no loose tail-end, no nothing.

Trinity, TX is all of MAYBE 6 miles across, at it's widest.

No more than 5 miles outside of Trinity (NO MORE THAN 5 MILES), I felt a slight rumble.

A mile later, I finally got off the Trinity River bridge about 1 mile east of Riverside, TX and pulled off the road.

When I got out of the car to check damage, thinking "maybe my lugnuts worked loose or something crazy like that...", I saw my Left Rear tire SMOKING hot. I also found rubber dust on my splashguards. Inside that little lip on the lower forward portion of the fender well (yall know, where dirt and rocks so like to congregate), I found a 1-inch tall by 6-inch long shred of sidewall. The entire inner sidewall was cut through to the "inner tube". In three places, was the sidewall cut COMPLETELY through so that I was able to see to the rim INSIDE the tire.

INSPECT YOUR [effin] BRIDGESTONE/FIRESTONE TIRES, FOLKS!!!

Y'all might be right, this MIGHT be a remote occurance. Sheer happenstance. I hope that that be the case.

If not, is your suspension able to take care of you and yours at 80 MPH? I'm lucky that John and I spent that Saturday taking care of mine.

And folks, dont start to flame on Jon because he had tried to look out for yall, at my request. If you dont like someone keeping your safety and well-being close to heart, go eff yourself, and take your issues up with me. Chances are pretty good that I'll just tell you to go eff yourself anyway.

Flame on that one for awhile.

Run with this information as you deem fit. Thank you, Jon, for posting this as quickly as you had. That is all.
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#61174 - 03/21/09 11:21 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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What exact tire are you recommending, and what are on your GP now?
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#61175 - 03/22/09 12:17 AM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
Richard Candelario Offline
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I recommend either the Potenza RE92 or the Goodyear ResponsEdge. The Goodyears by far, though. I ran the Goodyears for about a year. I bought the car with Bridgestone BT70S, and those ran fine for a year or two. Then ResponsEdge, then RE92. I've had the Potenzas since LATE '07, and had no complaints until this morning.

I've reviewed both tires either here for RE92 , or here for ResponsEdge .

The BIGGEST selling point on the ResponsEdge is that I found a roofing nail bent back almost on itself in the corner of the tread. That carbon-fiber and Kevlar really seemed to do it's job.

At this point, however, I am VERY tempted to return to ResponsEdge. They now have a 30k warranty; Goodyear is yet, to the best of my knowledge, ever to have spontaneous tire failure; the performance of the ResponsEdge seems superior to that of the RE92; and the noise difference is almost negligible, from what I remember. And they cost about the same.

I know I seem like I'm waffleing, and that's because I am. I LOVED the ResponsEdge, but they wore too quickly. I really liked the RE92, but one those tires DID have a spontaneous catastrophic failure with my family in the car doing 80 on the back roads in the middle-of-nowhere Texas. Lemme process all that's happened today and over the past couple of years, and I will be sure to deliver my own verdict.

Zerg: No debris, nothing for me to nail with the tires.

Palsut: Shut up about your 45 MPH-driving self. You are right that I am lucky to be alive, but that is due to the vehicle maintenance and repairs that I do. Luck favors the prepared.

Andrew383: These tires were purchased and installed sometime late-'08 as replacements for others that I forgot to rotate.

notladstyle: please read above. I'm not saying this is part of an epidemic, I just want to spare others from a less-fortunate end-state.

Jorgs: I wasnt running a donut-spare. I have 5 torque stars, all running RE92 right now.

72chevman: Yeah, my tires have served in similar ways, as well. Like I said, up until this morning, I had no real complaints, just gripes and the I-want-it-back-agains. Also, my tires arent/werent low. I filled them with nitrogen about 2 months ago, and checked them 3 days ago. The fronts are still 42 PSI, the rears were still 36. The spare is still 39. Before saying it's the higher-than-recommended pressure: no it's not. The RE92 carry a max cold pressure of 44 PSI with weight. 46 or 48 with no luggage, cant remember which.

I do apologize if it seems that I'm personally attacking each of you, I'm not. You asked questions, I'm answering them. Except for Palsut. He just posted something about someone's speed, so I expect him to post why 3100 is better than 3800 here in 3-4 days.


Moral of the story: INSPECT YOUR BRIDGESTONE/FIRESTONE TIRES!!!
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#61176 - 03/22/09 12:40 AM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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I'm running these Potenza RE960AS Pole Positions.
I definitely am not spending that money again for these, nor Z rate tires, not worth it.
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#61177 - 03/22/09 12:57 AM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
Richard Candelario Offline
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funny, Discount tried to sell me Pole Positions this afternoon. More and more I think about it (without sleeping on it, of course...), the more and more I keep coming back to wanting the Eagles back. grr.
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#61178 - 03/22/09 01:09 AM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Well, some tires can be good or bad depend how much you put the air on it or never rotate it.

I know lot of people never use tire rotation or didn't check the air pressure every month.

Since you want go back to Goodyear? I have Goodyear Eagle LS. It is best tire I ever own. I have it on my summer car since 2005. It is still on this car. I use tire rotation every 5,000 miles. I still have lot of tread left. Of course, I don't drive hard like some of you do. wink Also, I got my winter car last year but it has bald tires on it. I brought other Goodyear Eagle LS again. It is still good like it is supposed be. I have no flat tire or blown on this Eagle LS.
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#61179 - 03/22/09 01:27 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Gonna hafta do some research on the Eagle LS, then. Thanks for the tip.

Since being able to think about what all had happened yesterday, I have come to the decision that I will be returning to the Eagle line of Goodyear tires. Whether they be the LS, LHS, ResponsEdge, or what have you, I am certainly about done with these Potenzas. I sacrificed a bit of performance for a little bit of ride silence.
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#61180 - 03/22/09 06:18 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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The Eagle LS are very quiet, have the least rolling resistance of almost any tire so you will get 1/2-1 MPG better, but the sidewalls were very soft, so cornering, road feel and emergency maneuvers will suffer. They came on my wife's 01 Monte LS. I changed them at 32K with 3 to 4 32nds left.

I never said I did not believe you. It could have been damage from awhile ago and the heat and speed finally caused it to blow. Crap happens. Glad you are all safe.
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#61181 - 03/22/09 06:39 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Quote:
Originally posted by Richard Candelario:
Okay, yall. Sorry that this has become a flame war here. Here's the facts.

Entering Trinity, TX, my tires were doing JUST fine. No rumbling, no loose tail-end, no nothing.

Trinity, TX is all of MAYBE 6 miles across, at it's widest.

No more than 5 miles outside of Trinity (NO MORE THAN 5 MILES), I felt a slight rumble.

A mile later, I finally got off the Trinity River bridge about 1 mile east of Riverside, TX and pulled off the road.

When I got out of the car to check damage, thinking "maybe my lugnuts worked loose or something crazy like that...", I saw my Left Rear tire SMOKING hot. I also found rubber dust on my splashguards. Inside that little lip on the lower forward portion of the fender well (yall know, where dirt and rocks so like to congregate), I found a 1-inch tall by 6-inch long shred of sidewall. The entire inner sidewall was cut through to the "inner tube". In three places, was the sidewall cut COMPLETELY through so that I was able to see to the rim INSIDE the tire.

INSPECT YOUR [effin] BRIDGESTONE/FIRESTONE TIRES, FOLKS!!!

Y'all might be right, this MIGHT be a remote occurance. Sheer happenstance. I hope that that be the case.

If not, is your suspension able to take care of you and yours at 80 MPH? I'm lucky that John and I spent that Saturday taking care of mine.

And folks, dont start to flame on Jon because he had tried to look out for yall, at my request. If you dont like someone keeping your safety and well-being close to heart, go eff yourself, and take your issues up with me. Chances are pretty good that I'll just tell you to go eff yourself anyway.

Flame on that one for awhile.

Run with this information as you deem fit. Thank you, Jon, for posting this as quickly as you had. That is all.
so you drove a mile on a tire that was flat or going flat?
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#61182 - 03/22/09 09:15 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Quote:
Originally posted by 72chevman:
The Eagle LS are very quiet, have the least rolling resistance of almost any tire so you will get 1/2-1 MPG better, but the sidewalls were very soft, so cornering, road feel and emergency maneuvers will suffer. They came on my wife's 01 Monte LS. I changed them at 32K with 3 to 4 32nds left.

I never said I did not believe you. It could have been damage from awhile ago and the heat and speed finally caused it to blow. Crap happens. Glad you are all safe.
Wow, 32K is pretty short. Mine is still around 50,000 and still going. wink I guess it is depend on owner care or driving habit.
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#61183 - 03/22/09 09:52 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Originally posted by palsut:
I guess it is depend on owner care or driving habit.
1st of all, I worked in an automotive shop for 5 years where I sold and installed tires, did alignments and suspension work and other misc stuff. This was a second job saving to buy a house. I believe I know way more about tires and tire care than most.
2nd, I dare you to find a person more meticulous about car care than me, so owner care is not the issue.

My wife drives her cars rather hard, and I am OK with that. Why buy a great looking sporty car and drive like grandma going to church. If I was going to do that I would have bought a Taurus or Intrepid. I know she drives rather hard, but so do I. I just corner better than her, she waits longer than me and turns the wheel much harder instead of straightening out the curve. I will say that she tends to stay in her lanes, so I guess she corners legally. Anyone who is married knows you just don't tell a woman how to drive, you can try, but you will spend lots of lonely evenings, and soon you will spend those evenings with 1/2 your stuff if you keep it up.

The main reason her tires wear fast is that she parks on the 6th floor of a parking garage. Way up to in an end spot so no one dings her doors. That means 12 left hand corners up every morning and 12 left turns each evening, and sometimes lunch too. The cement is grooved so it doesn't ice up as easy in the winter and you have grip in the corners and hills when it is icy out. We all know our W-bodys are heavy up front. Take this combined with 24 left hand 180 degree corners each day, add grooved pavement and we get a quickly worn RF tire. I rotate every 2000 miles to keep her tires worn evenly.

Could I complain and tell her to slow down in the parking garage? Yes, but will I, No. I would rather keep all my stuff, not 1/2 of it.

In a nut shell, it is not owner care, some driver habit and conditions.
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#61184 - 03/22/09 09:57 PM Re: Bridgestone / Firestone Warning
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Originally posted by Richard Candelario:
The spare is still 39.

Moral of the story: INSPECT YOUR BRIDGESTONE/FIRESTONE TIRES!!!
Do you have a full size spare? I thought temp spares were to be 60 PSI.

Moral of the story. INSPECT YOUR TIRES! Any brand, poo happens.

cheers No hate here Richard cheers
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