Grand Am/G6 VS Grand Prix

Because they have too many on the factory floor and can't get rid of em fast enough.

Ok it is not renamed it is not even close to being the same car. It has more interior room longer wheelbase it sits on a different platform it is not the same car.

03 GP = 04 GP = New Skin

03 GA = 05 G6 COMPLETELY NEW EPSILON PLATFORM BASED CAR!!!!!!!!!!

skipidy do da, skipidy yea, My oh my what a wonderful day!
...EVERYBODY!!!

Plenty of sunshine heading my way. Zipidy do da zipidy ayyy.

Woo hooo we broke 200!!!!!!!!!!! ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!In the Prix not the ma............

I think this thread has pissed off Adam S. I've noticed that he has not been around for awhile.

What was this thread about again? Oh ya Grand Ams SUCK!!!!

I love the Saturn commercial where the 2 guys are arguing...

What where we talking about again.. oh yeah what's the catch.

Notice you never see any cool Grand Am commercials. But I have seen 6 really cool GP commercials in the last year

Perhaps GP inspires the better commercials. Getting the GP inspired me shave and buy dressier cloths and sneakers.

Alright guys, this is getting sort of pointless and rediculous. No, I have not been on as often lately for many reasons. Unfortunately, I've had to resort to talking to certain other people from this site in private to get any worthwhile opinions, information or just worthwhile, educated conversation. This GA thing was kind of the last straw. It finally proved that this forum currently consists of more closed minded, ignorant, mindless teen-age mentality than it does useful information and conversation, which is how it was when I joined. Not everyone, of course. But enough that make it more of a "what kind of stupidity or remark is going to be posted today" kind of joke whenever I sign on. I'm not sure, but I don't think that's what this site was meant for. It's better to use water than antifreeze? What the hell is that? Me and some others have actually tried our best to give good, sound advice on certain technical questions and opinions on here to people who were in need. But, unfortunately this is usually followed by someone who "knows better", and pretty much shoots down any educated advice that should really be followed in order to solve the given problem correctly. The thread topic then usually develops into what corners to cut, and how to ditch or bypass whatever was engineered by the factory. In other words, rigging. Any worthwhile advice basically ends up being a waste of time to type. Sometimes I feel the site should be changed to howtohackupyour3800.com!

But for this stupid Grand Am thing. I merely stated my open minded opinion of the car, which is what the topic ended up being. I service numerous GM's daily, am a registered service center, and know this is one of their better models. It's not a Metro, Chevette, or anything else like that. It's actually a model which scores as well as our GP's in terms of reliabilty. But yes, I chose a GP instead, because of the better engine, more room, styling,etc. But just because I happen to chose what I did doesn't make the other model a piece of shit. That's just a plain ignorant, juvenile viewpoint, and not the kind of mentality that's worth even wasting any more breath on. A longer car handles better because it wont spin out as easily? What? I guess we should all be driving school busses if that's the case...uh, with better suspension, of course, since that's all that dictates a vehicle's handling. But enough of that.

My main point is that when I first joined, I found a whole topic board full of endless service tips with helpful, considerate, knowlegable people, and ediqette and consideration for other's opinions. Now those previously respected opinions are followed by "No, every GA is a piece of shit!" Well that's nice. So much for the respect and consideration thing. Why am I even here now? I could hear this kind of logic in a high school auto's class. Looks like it's time to move on and find some adults somewhere. Maybe someday this will turn back into a worthwhile thing here, but for now it just seems to be the online comics-section.

I had to read Adam's post twice but after looking back through the threads for awhile i'll have to agree,not only this thread which is just ridiculous, i'll bet most that have posted here haven't even driven a GA, but i guess thats not the point we need to clean up our act or we are going to lose this board to comics,now i know Adam is not a modder but there should be room for both mod's advice and tech.& serv. advice and a little humor doesn't hurt but let's get back some sanity before it's too late,now that's my 02 cent's worth Chico.

Guess you where right.

Amen....

I guess I might be one of the comics to this thread that Adam has reffered to, but when a freaking thread goes 15 pages and over 200 post, comparing apples to oranges. I think Chico made the comment earlier that double posts are starting to occur, it's a bit ridiculous.
You'll get no apology from me for trying to bring a little laughter to a thread that has gotten ridiculously out of hand, and from the looks of some of the other replys to this thread, and some of the signature changes that are bashing the GA, it would appear that I'm not the only one that feels this way.
If someone is going to get all bent out of shape because someone else says "this orange is better than that apple" and he disagrees with that so much that he gets all huffy puffy and decides to go elsewhere...now who's the one being childish.
If this is in fact the case, then there is only one thing I have to say to said person...



BTW...
WOO HOO, I think this thread is finally nearing it's end!!!

I think that Adam should lighten up, yes I am not a car mechanic but I had my experiences with the different cars that I have had, does that make me someone who "knows better" hardly, but this is a forum last time I checked, and if I had a similar experience to the ones posted here I am going to try to relate them, because I have fixed problems in my car based in other peoples experiences, so if anyone has different opinions in how to fix a problem then we shouldn`t POO POO on their opinion and rather exaust all posibilities because as much as we know about these cars we all know that when you have rough iddle then it could be a whole lot of things wrong with the car, so people try to make an educated guess. As far as people why like to "hack up" thir car, they are out there and we know that because car manufacturers are cattering to them, (aka neon SRT-4 etc) so whem you have someone putting a smaller pulley in their car (which we all know is a GM no no) then we shouldn`t say that this person should go to carhackers.com becasue I may want to know if that persons car blows up , becasue if it doesn`t then I might want to put a smaller pulley on my car (please lets not get into pulley devate becasue this is only an example), and as far as posting a non value added post like this one, then yes I do agree that the silly comments can get out of hand, but thats why we have an "everything else" forum and is up to the moderator to say, it`s time to move this post there, I agree that this post should not have been here but as far as having a post like this one in this site doesn`t bother me, it just shows that we are human and we have a lighter side.
conclusion:
1)Everyones opinion matters, no matter how wrong YOU might think they are.

2)modding your car is OK (in the end is your car)

3)non value added posting should be kicked into the "everything else forum" and not banned from grandpix.net

I don't know why people are gettin all fussy this thread lost all credibility 15 pages ago. The original topic belongs in a GM forum not a GP forum. What do people expect??

Zipidy dooo daaaa Zipidy ayyy...

its a shame.. its a shame that yu feel that way adam but i have to ask you this , why has this up set you so much, they are just opinions but your acting immature.

the last time i checked anyone here that doesnt like the thread can post or not post,you had this choice and you choose to continue to read and post.

now your all bent and your gettin short with other members and calling people names and uncalled for names at that.

is this the way you treat a paying customer cause he says something stupid ,ignorant or childish, i dont think so cause theyll leave for another place or even worst.

dodnt get me wrong i think that the advice you give is probaly the best that we may find here but just cause its free does not mean that some people in this forum are gonna miss you if you take you ball and go home.

ive vissited other gp sites on the web and ive found this to be one of the best cause it has variety without the b.s. that other sites post. if you want ignorant go to forums that talk about race ,religion , politics and what not then throw in some info on our cars adfter they finish bashing other people.

if you feel that the grass is greener on the other side then all i can say is good luck hope you find 10x the people that appreciate your knowledge more this motley crew (me included)

After reading all these post and how everyone is getting upset and what not one thing still remains the same and very clear

The GRAND PRIX is better that the Grand Am :p

^^^LOL at Jizz^^^
I have driven a GA....I have one and my GP. I've posted that a few times on here. To my point, every one has opinions on everything. Just because someone is a mechanic, doesn't mean we have to listen to them. I think Adam should stop and read some of his posts. When we post, we give our opinion on the matter. When he posts, he gives his opinion. So whats the deal Adam? As far as "hacking" up a car, it is called modding it. Why do we do it?...Cause we wanna...and we don't wanna be the same as the next guy. If we didn't do anything to our car, what would be the point of this forum? I bet Adam has "hacked" a car or two. Everyone is different on that subject and have different tastes to their liking. So if there is a problem with someone is doing a u-bend delete, or tinting their windows, or putting on a pulley, then maybe that person shouldn't be here. Just because the factory does it "their way", doesn't mean we can't change it up to the way we want. I HAVE TO SAY SO WHAT AND TOUGH CRAP. If you feel the way you do, then don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!

GA vs. GP. That was the topic, right? My wife bought her 01 GA in 01 with 14,000 miles from Enterprise car rental for $12,000.00. Since then, she has brought it in for service once for a blower resistor. Three years, 80,000 miles, and only one problem which was fixed under warantee. Can't say the same for my 03 GTP. In one year, I had taken my 03 in for service 20 times. Figures out to one service call every 1200 miles. This is why I traded it in for the 04. So which is the better car? I still loved my GP way mor than th GA, but better? I'd have to think about that one.
Jack

I read some of the latest responses in this thread last night because like a bad movie sometimes you just cant stop watching. One or two posts really kind of pissed me off, so I didnt reply. I reread them today and I'll say this.

There is a lot of experience on this thread, and there is a lot of INexperience and BS floating around too. A fundamental tenet of modifying your car is if you deviate from what the factory did, you may gain performance (but not always), but you will surely reduce longevity and reliability. It may be slight and not affect your car for 100,000 miles, you might sell it before you ever see the effects, OR it might be major and in 5,000-10,000 miles something blows up, but it will always happen.

Every persons situation is different, some have garage queens, some put 10,000 miles a year on their car and some like me run 35,000 a year. The modification vs reliability comes in the more you drive of course. Ive modified my cars enough to know that you take manufacturers HP claims with a grain of salt, you dont beleive everything you read on the internet, and if you are going to modify your car you research what the mod will do, how it will affect your car in your situation and then determine if it is worth it. Many of you out there dont take the time to do this, someone says put on a 3.25 pulley cuz I did and you will be fine but they never really find out what that actually does or what other things need to be done that they may need to do to prevent some negative effects

Adam may have been a bit thin skinned about the childish bullsh*t that went on in this site, particularly this thread, and he does lean more toward the factory solution because in his business 95% or better of the people that come to him dont want to come back because what he did broke their car, regardlless of how much faster it made the car go. His advice and information,never steered anyone wrong and I dont think he ever gave out bogus info or any advice based on hearesay. He always tried to help people do whats right to their car rather than letting them hack it up and have problems later.

In his eyes, and personally in mine doing a hack job on your car to gain HP and save money is the worst thing you can do. Been there done that! Especially when a young kid who can barely afford the payments on his car to begin with comes on this site looking for info and someone says Spend $xxx to do x, y and z its great. but no one ever warns the kid that it will case A, B C problems if he doesnt do D,E and F and his car blows up the following week.
Yes, his fault for not researching it but unfortunately I see it as our fault for not doing right by the kid. If you dont have the money to do it right, how are you going to have the money to fix it?

Adam steered people more toward the safe side and tried to give downsides of a lot of things so people would be better informed. For that you guys are telling him to not let the door hit him in the Ass. Its real nice when you guys sit there preaching tollerance of others views, yet you piss and moan because Adam takes a different view than you and you want him off the list. Why? because it makes you think? because it makes you defend your position with solid info rather than just tell people its ok go ahead and do it cuz you know this guy in city X who did it and he says its wonderful? that is just sad.

Texas GP said, and I quote:

So if there is a problem with someone is doing a u-bend delete, or tinting their windows, or putting on a pulley, then maybe that person shouldn't be here. Just because the factory does it "their way", doesn't mean we can't change it up to the way we want. I HAVE TO SAY SO WHAT AND TOUGH CRAP. If you feel the way you do, then don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out!

TexasGP, I havent met you and I wont judge you but I will comment on what you said.

Most of what you said in your post is true, everyone has differing opinions and different approaches. But your ending did it for me. Pardon me while I piss and moan about your approach. You claim to be a "modder" and dont mind hacking up a car. Well good for you, But Id say adam was trying to prevent people who dont know what the hell they are doing or cant afford to have their car down or throw unlimited money at a problem to fix it from doing what you did.

Let me ask you a question, hows that U-bend delete working out for ya?

Did you research the mod?
did you find out why to do it and what it entailed?
did you research where to get it done and all the other options you had?
Did you know enough about what you wanted to do, to tell the shop you took it to exactly what you needed done and why?
did you know you could have not put in the aft 02 sensor in the replacement pipe and used a simulator?
did you realize that if you bought a new downpipe in the future for more mods it automatically eliminates the Ubend?
Did you make sure the shop put the old 02 in a position on the new pipe as to limit damage that might occur from road debris?
did you make sure they cut and/or welded with the 02 OUT of the pipe else it will freeze it in there?
did you even consider it?

IMO judging by the result it doesnt look like it, but. Looks to me like you heard the Ubend delete is a thing to do and you didnt want to spend the time to research it or the $65 for the PYFC part or find a shop that knew waht they were doing so you tried to cut corners and save money and took it to some Midas who had the lowest price and had them hack your car up. Way to mod buddy! Now you spent just as much as you would have if you bought the right part and did it correctly only yours is still screwed up and you are going to have to spend more money to fix it. And of course, its the shops fault. BUT Kudos to you for posting your experience and letting others learn from it.

Again, if you have a ton of money its not a problem, but if you are struggling to make the payments and dont know any better.... Yeah I know, it comes down to personal responsibility etc etc, but IMO its stuff like that, that Adam was trying to prevent by asking questions he did and making comments he did. Make you think about what you are doing and why you should or shouldnt do it. For that you guys are showing him the door. How Nice.

As for the humor in this thread, yeah some of it was funny, I enjoyed it and added to it, but I still wouldnt buy a GA over a GP. (just trying to keep it on topic)

this dam thread is not goin away,is it?

Can we hear another Amen?

Hell, I'll say it too, why2..
Adam, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!!!
His comments about others being childish while he was acting the same way, don't go good with me. Remember, he left because someone said that this orange is better than that apple, and he disagreed with that so much that he took his ball and ran to play somewhere else. Who cares how much better an orange is compared to an apple.
It's too bad for us that he...

...why the hell am I even replying, again, to this useless thread.
This thing will never go away.

I dont claim to be a modder...never said that.
- Did I research it?....Went from all the posts...thats what the forum is here for right?
- Did I find out why...of course....
- Did I research where to get it done...NO...because I am 4 hours from home at the hospital for my son's cancer treatment. I seen a shop that was ASE certified so I figured they must be half-assed good.
- Yes, I know what I wanted, and the shop knew exactly...they have done numerous n the GP.
- No I did not know I could use a simulator...BUT I did put back in the old one and returned the new one, since I drove it only 2 miles from where I was, they gladly refunded my money. THAT WAS AFTER READING THAT THE 2nd O2 SENSOR DID NOTHING....That was from this thread..I learned something, and did it.....
- If I wanted the downpipe, I woulda got one....Just wanted the u-bend gone.
- Yes, they put it in right, I was under the car myself while it was done. It's my car, and I want things done my way.
- They cut the u-bend out with the o2 in it. BUT I got it out. They welded up the new pipe, AND THEN put in the New O2. AFTER they cooled it off.

As for the piece from PYFC, it is $65....They made one for $30, that is a $35 savings...I did do my homework. And they did do a great job on it. You weren't here and under the car, so you wouldn't know. The only part the shop did was try to get me to buy a part for triple price. The reason i didn't buy one before I went, was because they said they could remove the old O2. And they did, they just thought I DIDN'T DO MY HOMEWORK AND KNOW HOW MUCH THEY COST...BUT I DID. CALLED DOING MY HOMEWORK. SO, all in all, my shit ain't screwed up just because I didn;t buy a part from PYFC....HOW MANY THAT DID THE U-BEND, DIDN'T BUY THAT PART? HOW MUCH LESS WAS IT AND IS IT GIVING YOU PROBLEMS.

Maybe before trying to call me out and try to make me look like an ass, you should have contacted me and asked these questions.

As for ADAM, I was just saying that the reason people MOD, is because they want things done different. To not be the same as the next guy. It is done for a reason. IE...my tinted windows, I have allergies and sometimes my kids ride in my car. My son has cancer, and connot be in the son for longer than 10 minutes......A new head unit....cause my Stock GP unit bit the dust....new rear speaker, cause one was blown...EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR A REASON, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.....The other mods I have done because they look good...Adam was wondering why the hell someone would "hack" up a car...that wasn't hacking to me...He finished with a shitty attitude toward things, so he got shitty responds.

All in all, I am done with this post.....not trying to piss anyone off, but things were said in this thread that shouldn't have been said. I apologize for stepping on toes..including ADAM.
So for anyone reading this, Sorry.....
ARE WE ALL HAPPY NOW

Here I go again......
If he wanted to leave so bad, then like I said....oh well...I don't think anyone was being childish...Just being funny. I'm not always serious about everything, and do like to make a joke here and there...as with everyone. Like AUSTIN SAID^^^^ He was acting the same damn way....ok...hopefully I am done now!

Sooooommmmmeee where over the rainbow blue birds fly...

Well it's too bad we have to lose members because of such BS but thats life i'm sure we'll all survive without Adam's text book advice,nothing you couldn't find in any service manual it seems he may have taken a few members with him but tough sh-t ,last time i looked this was GP.net not Adam .net ,bye see you later .Go forward and bash a newbie today.

No matter how mad anyone gets. No matter how much anyone pees and moans...The GP is still a better car

You may want to re-think this. . Without going into a lengthy explaination I will just say this is not true.

Oh, so that's why everybody's flaming ya. That's a pretty harsh thing to say.

supercalifrajalisticexpealidosous even though the sound of it is realy quite atrosous...

i thought a blue bird was a bus.

Texas, weeks later after reading through everything I mostly misinterpreted your ubend delete stuff. The way I read it, on a whim you took it to a shop you didnt know much about and they hosed up your old 02, tried to charge you a lot more for a new one and then when they put it back together the whole ubend thing was all loose and still not right. From the tone of your posts I would never guess you were happy with their work or the whole experience, or guess that anything was even half way correct under there. In that light I then saw you taking adam to task for trying to help out people when it looked to me like you yourself were giving a perfect example of you yourself not knowing what you were doing. I apologise for misinterpreting your posts. Sorry

Now that's the funniest thing I heard all day


But anyways, no need to get if you don't agree with something. I for one think its nice to see some humor once in a while. After the first page, I only looked at this thread to get a few laughs. The other threads are still pretty useful. You want to see a thread gone crazy go to this 350Z thread, where some twins posted a picture of 2 cars in front of a nice house, and claimed them as theirs, when it was really someone elses. That someone else happen to read that same thread and got ticked. The whole board then got down on the pretender, and bashed him to high heaven. All with PHOTSHOPPED pictures. It's actually pretty funny. The thread is over 20 pages. The funny photochopped pictures start on page 3 or so... All I have to say is

Well, I'm going to go out and

While some people may see the GrandPrix.net going to be a joke haven over one very long post is what they didnt notices was all the 'work' or the 'good' that was going on. While this post was and is still going we have helped people from spending 350 dollars on a window tint job. We have help a few new people decide what may be the first thing they want to do is. I myself have been more than willing to provide my knowledge of these cars to more than a handful of people. I feel that I am pretty knowledgeable on these cars after all on my 3rd gp and have worked on several fwd v6 gm cars.

As for the handling adam s i have a feeling your still reading this longer wheel base is done for a reason. Ill get to that in a second. But the reason i think your still reading this is becuase i MOD a car board. I see someone post something crappy or that they are done with it and check the logs and wahhh laahhh there they are signed in as guest or not signed in at all. as for the wheelbase thing why does the G6 have longer wheelbase than the grand ma and why did the vette engineers extend the vettes wheel base?

All in all one joke doesnt mean the board fell to crap during hte one joke we had lots of good and i personally hope this thread goes beyond 1000 posts and stays where it was at. If it was my board i would let it to prove a point.

I was happy with the finished product, but not happy that they tried to claim I needed a new O2 and how much it costed was a ridiculous amount. I did my homework and knew they were trying to rip me off. As for the Adam deal....I knew he was just trying to give advice, and I did learn a few things from him.

On the other hand.....I thought this post was done for sure!!!

NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!!!!!!

I was just thinking the other day how happy I was that this thread was over.

It lives GP better then GA cause GP comes with a 3.8 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha:)


I had to do it.

Thanks Herc, we all needed this to come back.

Grand Am is better than a Grand Prix, and that just the way it is!
See it my way or I'm LEAVING!!!

:p

OMG...this thread is back from the dead....

Hey...my GP didn't come with a 3.8.....no fair!!


Oh yea...GP is better

The Grand Am is better.


this is what I would say if I wanted to tell a lie.

who...... :rolleyes: brought this thread back??

Obviously the GA is better. I mean seriously! Its smaller, slower, and uglier. Oh, and I almost forgot, it was going to cost more insurance wise for a base model GA than my GTP.

maybe this is appropriate...

Herc.
DAMN YOU HERC!!!

IT LIVES!!!!
O yeah almost forgot
Grand Prixs Rule

I didn't bother to read this WHOLE topic, but from the jist of it, I understand that most (all?) of you feel the GP is superior to the GA.

My understanding was that Pontiac had a tiered approach: Grand Am, Grand Prix, Bonneville. Now they have the GTO at the top of the line.

But I would not trade my GTP for a Bonne.

When my truck is paid off in 16 months I'm gonna compliment my GTP with a V-8 powered Bonnie. Kids are gettin bigger So I'll need the room. And unfortunately as of now Chevy doesn't have a Performance full size. I won't look at an Impala unless it gets bigger and comes with a V8 and I can't afford the Caddies.

how many horses does a Bonne have? I don't like the look of them.

You should go with the old impala SS (I think it was mid 90s) they had V8s and were pretty decent for a full size.

I missed this thread last time around (lucky i guess). Im quite suprised that most people think the GP is better then the GA on a GP Forum

Anyway, my Wife loves GA's. She plans on buying one soon and spanking it up a bit. Hey! I'm all for it. Im more concerned about keeping PONTIAC's in the family the the "Prix" or "Am" part of it.

They are both Sweet!!! MWAHAHAHAHAH...

Cheers All!!! It's good to see that humourous side of Herc on this thread. He's not the Auto-Diagnostic machine that i was beginning to suspect after all

:p

This topic is a kind of dead walking, keeps on coming up any time...


Alex

you mean like this

Exactly Herc!...

GA is so last year,,, we should rename it G6 vs GP...sorry I had to..

That new G6 GTP just might bust our b#!!s

But that's what the GP GXP is for

Yeah, but that G6 is more Grand Prix than any grand MA ever will be

Wow I think this is a new Gunisses world record for the longest thread.

hey herc, you'll have to go older to get a bigger impala,cause they made the bad ass ones in 94, 95, and best year of all, 96 . you probably know already, but they had a version of the LT1, and came with very little options, cause they were already loaded. kick ass cars man!!!! the 96 was the only year to have the analog gauges and a floor shifter. they came in 3 colors. black, dark cherry red, and teal. good luck finding one for a decent price!!!

if you get one, remember

I saw a 96 at local dealership last year. They wanted 25k for it

There is too much hype around the G6. Sure it's a step above the Grand Am, but the new GP is still a much nicer ride. The one thing I really can't stand about the G6 is how all the controls and everything is intergrated into the factory radio.

They gotta hype it to sell it. I like what GM did with the Cobalt how ever I think the S/Cd one is a bit over priced.

Grand Prix vs. Grand Am: They both suck.

Just kidding. Grand Prix's kick ass. Buy a Dakota. 5 spd baby!!

Ahh my Silverado will out pull your Dakota

Ohh your CBR might be faster then the CMX but the chicks dig the lil curiser

Nice try with the CBR, but I just put a deposit down on this:

http://s92149915.onlinehome.us/954_01.jpg
http://s92149915.onlinehome.us/954_02.jpg
http://s92149915.onlinehome.us/954_03.jpg
http://s92149915.onlinehome.us/954_04.jpg

It's a 2003 CBR 954RR
603 miles
Micron Exhaust
Rear Fender Eliminator
Chrome Rims
Tinted Windscreen

Everything was dealer installed. The guy bought it like this.

I'll post more (and better) pictures when I pick it up.

P.S. - My dog can outpull my Dakota.

Nice. I want. What's with the smoke out of the exhaust?

It hadn't been run in a couple months and it was 10 degrees out.

Grand Prixs are so much better then the Grand Am. Just look GM killed the GA and replaced it yet they kept the GP


Ha Ha I had to do it

I wouldn't go that far. My son has an '01 GA. I have an '03 GP. He is always asking if I want to swap cars. The '03 GP is the last of the "great body styles". "Wider is better!" The new body style is too "Euro" looking. Not to mention that, for you NASCAR fans, Tony Stewart won the Winston Cup Championship, in 2002, driving a Pontiac GP with the '03 body on it. Pontiac has since pulled out of NASCAR to support GM's decision to focus on the Monte Carlo's success. So,... Those of us who have '03's own a piece of racing history.

not this post again!!

OMG! Herc, you just had to ressurrect this stupid topic. Hahaha...

WHAT!, did you think i was going this topic die??

NOOO, it's my son, like FRANKENSTEIN!!

NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, when you least expect it....it rises from the dead again

I should kill this thread.

Now we know the truth behind Alex's possessed ride. It's not possessed HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess all I need to do is add one of my "star trek regulation" posts and someone will lock it out...it worked over in "look at the size of this wing"...either that or there are no trek fans here.

I wish I had a camera on me a month or so back. Saw a GA with a foot high spoiler, fart cans, and typical ricer body work with FnFesque decals.

now that i don't have a GP and drive my wifes Grand Am..............GA's ARE BETTER..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The truth about Alex's ride is that he's been ordering GP parts for his Grand Am.

ooh, that's why the headlamp didn't fit?...