Turbo v. Supercharged

The old question. Mainly preference i guess but what do u think is better!

I voted turbo, performance mainly + hearing the blow off valve. heaven

I think better is a relative term.

As far as performance goes, I believe turbos are better.

But a supercharger has its own advantages as well as a way cooler sound. I went with the supercharger.

yes it is a relative term considering i based it mainly off peoples preferences lol

given the fact of the supercharger being a factory option and being available at a much cheaper price than the turbo makes a tough arguement...price being equal I prefer the turbo...but if you like the sound and instant low end power then the blower is the ticket. I personally think the turbo offers the best comprimise between fuel mileage, power and drivablity.

S/C for me. Although turbo's have much more potential... I couldn't live without that whine!

S/C. I like the whine, the instant power, and I DESPISE the sound of the blow off valve on turbos. Just my opinion, but it sounds...I dunno, weak, or something. Anytime I hear one, I want to go race the guy with it and kick his ***.

Again, just my opinion.

lol not if the guy with the turbo is driving a gp gt ! Yea fine but i know some g reddy blow off valves that are rly nice.

but this poll is all on what u like

If you got a turbo without that blow off sound, then I could live with it. lol

well u know u can run both

THAT I would love to do.

a few symbols for ya $$$$$

I prefer S/Cs. Instant torque is off the hook. Plus I'm a gear head so seeing that big chunk of metal sitting on top of an intake just screams power.

Im not gonna debate which is better cause they both have their place.

There are S/Cs out there that will net more power then a turbo but unfortunately they are too big to adapt to the 3.8L

I'll say whipple all the way.

Though I voted for supercharger, my project is leading me towards getting a turbocharger. Reason being, ChrisG recently sent me a video on youtube of the legendary Grand Prix Turbo and had me thinking. I want to turbo this car and do minor visual upgrades to keep its factory look. I want to build this car up as if Pontiac actually built a turbo GP in 2000. So there it is guys, thats what I am going for. I haven't come up with a name to replace GT, but I may try to find the old Grand Prix Turbo Badges and slap em on when the car receives the turbo...

this is going to be a long project btw

Like this one?
Turbo Grand Prix

yes exactly...i would have to change the color of course but that would be up to me.

lol i would just go to autozone and pick up some chrome badges that say turbo but it get rid of the sleeper affect. If they know what you are running its just not as fun when u smoke em!!!

So you like the sound of a turbo, eh? Well, now you too can have the "Ricer's Edge": Turbo Performance not included...

LMFAO @ that turbo simulator

nah a nice t66 or t70 turbo thats what im talking about!!!

I hear ya, chrisg; just couldn't resist ribbing you guys a bit... It never ceases to amaze me, the things you can find on Ebay...

yea u deff have a point there lol

im still laughing at that simulator

Funny thing is, someone will actually buy it..

Ricers United!!!

lol Guarantee ppl with Honda's and other "tunerz" which ="ricers" will buy em

i think im gonna buy the simulator for my malabu hahahaha

rofl

1 "ricer" down lol j/k

I'm the only one around who has a blow-off'd supercharged GP :p

... and it sounds nothing like rice. I scare big burly bikers with it.

hey chris, i'm not goin for the autozone ricer look...I'm going for a factory look. So the grand prix turbo badge is ideal here. That turbo simulator thing is absolutely ridiculous, but it makes me laugh. I would put it in a real junky car as a joke.

hey 2fast4u, what year is that 'BU??

I'd rather a s/c. Can't beat the whine it makes.
My daughter told me that she could her me comming down the street.......

i get ya on that i was just saying lol but still i thought u were going for the sleeper look?

I was until you sent me that video...but you know what everything exterior wise will still be stock except for these badges http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PONTIAC-G...sspagenameZWDVW and some hi-po torque stars.

cool hope it works out!

chrisg,
For what it's worth, I've had the pleasure of driving a lot of cool, fast cars over the years; turbocharged, supercharged, even a couple of nitrous fed LS7s. Guess I don't really have a preference; as long as I'm enjoying the ride, it's all good!

Blackarrow98gp,
For what it's worth I have not had the pleasure of driving a lot of cool fast cars over the years, but i have drivin old skool e30 bmw's, a crappy 5.0 stang (i hate stangs), a v6 camaro (camaros are my life), a 528i, chevy malibu, nissan maxima, 5speed escort, an audi a6, a grand am, trailblazer, grand cherokee, and many other fine or crappy vehicles. w.e the vehicle is, i still enjoy driving them, so I must agree with you on your statement

X2

Gentlemen,

Check your PMs

check urs too! lol

Noted and logged...

yea check yours lol

While on the subject on turbo's could anyone suggest at what mileage would be to high for a turbo? OR as long as you keep good maintenance your does it really matter? Because my next major mod I want is a turbo?

wow good point...I have a little over 146k so I hope by replacing alot of things that it will help out.

Turbo is a bad idea on a car with that many miles. I wish I had lower miles on my car with all the crap I have done because I keep breaking stuff.

darn

LOL yea like thats going to stop you.

i know, im too driven right now

you know, I do speak from personal experience since i did all my motor work with 147k on the car

hope you have alot of money, and consider yourself warned.

I second drummerboy on this. I've got 120k on the clock and I'm just starting to see some tranny problems.

Right now, the front end feels kinda spongey under light acceleration, kinda like something connected to the steering is a lil loose. Slight wiggle in the steering wheel too.

Wow, I'm surprised that this poll is dead even. Especially since almost everyone posting says s/c.

Hes probably gunna do it anyway lol

Man i shouldn't of thrown him onto the idea of the turbo. I didnt put into consideration how many miles he already had. Since i only have 59k i am all for it but hey we all do what we do for a reason!

lol yea chris it is all your fault for gettin me onto this idea...but I'm looking to replace the old with the new from plugs and wires, to cams and trannies. I'll do w.e I can to be sure that this engine is ready to take the turbo. I'm not just gonna bolt up a turbo and say ok look at me I have a turbo grand prix. Like I said this is going to be a long process but I'm ready for it. But Thank You for the warning drummmerboy and lonezergling, it is much appreciated.

All of that stuff is expensive, so like I said, hope you have alot of money. Just don't try and make horsepower on a dime because it'll always come back to screw you over

yea I know...like i said, i'm not gonna bolt it up and say hey i got this turbo with all this power because then my engine could blow up or something. It'll probably be a year or so before I'm ready to hook up a turbo anyway, so in the meantime I will prep it

i prefer both since i have 2 cars. 1 supercharged and 1 turbo. i love them both but i had to vote turbo. bad ass sound and free power who can beat that?

http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/animul-performance-whipple-kits-new-p-25.html

Now this is a S/C

That's what I'm planning for the future, y'know, the whole "piles of cash" future?

That's why top-swap > SS M90 if you have the $$$ to take it further.

That, and you can use any intercooler available, instead of just the wimpy shortstack IC. Since everything is stock parts, you buy stuff just like if you had an L67 from the factory. I couldn't agree more Zerg

Eh if u work hard enough, save up enough (outside of everyday things and other necessary things) then its possible without having piles and piles of cash lol

i just saw this thread.

Turbo.

the fastest M90 car is a 10 something.
Turbo is a 9.01.

if you have the cash, the turbo is the best mod for these cars

If you can afford a decent turbo kit, you can also afford a whipple. The whipple would be loads more fun and efficent.

Whipple's with stock heads and cam run like high 11's/low 12's IIRC. Pretty amazing results for one mod.

I say super.
While turbos have taken our car furthest, its a matter of preference of feel.
I've seen people complain about how their turbo 3.8 drives on the street. Sure, slam the pedal and it will haul ass (almost a second later) but I guess some people aren't happy with light-medium driving.
I just like the instantaneous feel of a supercharger. I can roll into the throttle and feel the instant response.

I'de like a superturbonitrocharger personally

its a 97 with the 3.1

I see what you're saying, but unless you are a hardcore racer, that one second won't really matter. You won't have a daily driver that runs a 9 sec quarter mile.

Besides, isn't that car twin turbo? Because if it is, of course two turbos will beat one supercharger. lol

I mean, if you like the turbo, that's cool. I'm just saying, for a daily driver, it's not TONS better than a s/c, IMO.

*cough**turbo**cough*

any mods done to it...my bro has the '99 Bu LS 3.1 and he's looking to mod it. But he doesn't know what to do other than a CAI.

actualy nothing has been done to it...YET. its there for a DD but im gonna cut the cat soon. i have a little no name turbo in my garage im thinking about haveing a little fun with. but i keep telling my self the bu is a DD.

i might do that fake turbo and let you guy know how Durrrrrr it is.

lol haha go over to www.unitedmalibus.com and check out their Daily Drivers

if he is seriously considering a turbo, then i hope he plans on going pretty far modding. No one can do just a turbo and stop.

Turbos are way more efficient, and have the potential to do way more. M90's with smaller pulleys have way less efficiency, since they get so hot.

This honestly isnt a debate, it all depends on how far he plans on going with the car. if he has the $ go turbo, the potential is amazing. The M90 will hit a wall first. You will spend a lot more money to get an m90 car into the 12/11 range then you will a turbo

Actually it kinda has become a debate lol.

I started this poll just to see what ppl preferred. Yes the Turbo is much better performance wise, but they both have there ups and downs...

Turbo's are much more efficient and suffer far less parasitic loss since they are run off the exhaust gases, instead of being turned by the crank.

Expanding off what ordonez said, an M90 with a 2.55" pulley is taking probably 60-80 hp to spin the blower. So there is a much earlier breaking point to where the gains are overcome by the losses, and with a turbo that's point is a much higher threshold

anyone like these "Fog lights?"

OK, I'm really not sure what I'm looking at...lol

Those are the intake ports on turbos in there...

Thats the compressor fins you're seeing.

And that's sick ILGTP, just sick.

Holy Damn bro

what loneserling said SICK!!!

indeed 100% pretty cool.
too bad its not mine. its Matt M's from ZZP
http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=3968188&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

I knew it lol Hes trying to get that beast into the 8's

Is his car still FWD? Because being in the 8s would take the world record...lol

yes sir FWD FTW

Didn't they SET that record in the first place?

I believe they did actually they hold the record for FWD at a 9.01

Just sick...

so jealous..

how bout this some one give me there superchared gp, and on my 97 ill put in a turbo then i could have both.. haha

that twin turbo set up is nice my one frined told that is the same idea he would have done.. lets just see how fast it goes

that car is frickin sick

Not did, they DO. lol Says so on their website. ;-)

And if anyone wants to see the record-setting run (or a different video of the same car SMOKING a Dodge Viper), send me a PM.

Kinda sucks it doesn't look near normal anymore. I would like to see some interior, but if its just for drag, guess you have to do what you have to do.

thats where mine will differ. Every remembers the clean yet sleeper look of the 1990 Grand Prix STE Turbo, which was a 4 door GP with the same turbo as the 2 door (Only 1,000 were built). Thats my plan, a subtle lookin yet fast Grand Prix Turbo to give it the legendary feel of the late turbo grand prix.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=h...l%3Den%26sa%3DN

You guys forget there is a big brother to the
M90 the M112.

Nah we already talked about the Whipple

gotta get up to speed herc lol

The M112 is not the Whipple.

Nor is the M112 the same thing as a GenV M90.

woops sry there my bad i thought the whipple replaced the m112

yea the m112 and the genvm90 were before the whipple

Whipple is an aftermarket company. No cars come with Whipple cahrgers. I believe our whipple is the WX40B or something.

The M112 is a larger displacement blower. Are there and M112 kits for our cars BTW Herc? Not that I'm interested, I'm just curious.

And the GenV M90 is just a redesigned GenIII with little things like smaller silencer slots and other things to make it more efficient.

Then you have Paxton Novi who build the, *cough* zuulmusic *cough* Novi 1000 and 2000 centrifugal superchargers that you can get from ZZP/Stattama.

Then we get into turbos like the Turbonetics 62-1 and T70.

way to not mention the t66 lol

smart a$$, heh

lol no i just think it deserves to be recognized

Yes. You can get an M90/112 hybrid through Overkill. It was originally a ZZP or Intense product that they sold the rights to. Anyway, it combines the two blowers so they will fit and still give you more boost without creating as much heat.

i heard that there wasnt much gain from the M112. It really isnt that much of a mod. I think the whipple could be a HUGE step foward for the 3800 community, but they just havent worked out all the bugs yet.

Magnuson makes an MP112 which is an improved eaton M112.
For bigger engines / V8's, the M112 and MP112 are able to make higher boost levels than the M90. Dunno about on the 3.8's. Apparently genV M90 is the way to go since plenty of people have done it.

hey does anyone know where to get that m112 conversion....i cant find a link to it anywhere.
i think i just got bit again

do ressearch first. Make sure it is what you want.

The GenV blows the m112 out of the water. and if you can get a whipple to work right, that is the way to do it

Except Whipples systems are $3k. If you can fork over the dough, go for it.

wait gen 5 blows the m112 out?

That sounds about right. The M112 has such a large displacement, our engines jsut don't have the kind of power to make those larger rotors worth the work.

M112 is not a good upgrade for our cars. I don't even think there's a kit for it.

GenV is what you want.

http://www.3800pro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15549

Theres one guy pimpin the 112 currently.

Also, if you look at the top FWD quarter mile times, theres an M112 guy way ahead of any of the gen V's (John Tsimaras, Magnuson MP112 & N20,
10.785 @ 130.37)

on N20 = BS times

Babies suck on bottles

Plenty of genIII and genV M90's, not to mention most serious turbo setups, use N20. Especially to combat that turbo lag.