#107635 - 04/26/04 10:59 AM
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Yes... If you referring to a '97 GT or SE. Thrasher's website indicates that the only models the 4T60E came in were the '97 GTs and SEs. The '98 and newer GTs and SEs (and all L67s) came with the 4T65E. I was just remembering reading a thread a while ago about the differences between the '97 4T65Es and the '98 and newer versions. Like I mentioned earlier... it had something to do with going with a different supplier of input shafts. The supplier of the '97 input shafts were hardened stronger than the '98 and newer. If I missed the mark... I apologize in advance. Marc
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#107636 - 04/26/04 11:22 AM
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no sweat Mark, I value your opinion very much, I just know that our new comer is thinking about buying a 97 gt and I though he better beware of the tranny difference.
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#107637 - 04/26/04 11:23 AM
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sorry I mispelled your name..
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#107638 - 04/26/04 11:47 AM
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Definately get the GTP. The price difference is not that much and there is so much more you can do to it and cheaper. My 2000 GTP is the best car I have ever owned. I got it with 40,000 miles and am closing up on 70,000 with out a single problem. Not even one! I might have to change the stuts soon bu that is normal maintenance. I put less than $300 in it and Im running close to 300 HP at the crank. And very low 14's in the 1/4 mile. another $400 and Ill be at low 13's. You can do so much to these cars. You will kick your self in the ass later for not getting the GTP I promise. Almost every GT owner I know wants a GTP after getting the GT and riding with some of us GTP owners!!!
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#107639 - 04/26/04 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by blown_gp: no sweat Mark, I value your opinion very much, I just know that our new comer is thinking about buying a 97 gt and I though he better beware of the tranny difference. That's cool. I just have a tendency to think in terms of GTPs. I guess I kinda lost my original train of thought regarding the GT question. But! Smoof... if you're seriously looking into a Grand Prix, test drive both a GT and a GTP to make sure you really know what each has to offer. Knowing what I know now... I seriously consider getting year older GTP than a newer GT. That's if they're similiar in condition. Not that there's anything wrong with GTs. I don't want to be labled as a GT "hater". I like them as well and they certainly have a niche. However... you just can't beat a screaming supercharger to get someone's attention. Marc
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#107640 - 04/26/04 01:18 PM
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Not to stear to far I think the 97 gt's are getting an unfair rap tranny wise if you check i think you'll find the 4t60e had no more problem's than the 4t65e I know i'm running 272whp with a stock tran's and have had no problem's and i like the low end grunt of a lower ratio in fact in 1/8 mile most stock GT's will spank a stock GTP but getting top end hp= lower 1/4 et's requires cam, headers, dhp or eq.,HVTB , and larger injector's.
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#107641 - 04/26/04 01:18 PM
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Like all those guys are saying, it's hit or miss, but the most important is maintenance I did have to repair my tranny on my 1997 GTP at about 106k miles. It was building to very high temps, at least that is what I was told. I wasn't given much warning, just driving home from work one night and it lost power. I used to drive it really hard. I think you have to learn your car too. I like mine better now, than when I first got it. I think our cars should have come standard with a tranny cooler. Got one now. I can't complain, still the best car I've ever owned. Hey Marc, I got your back with the 97's Jack
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#107642 - 04/26/04 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Chico: in 1/8 mile most stock GT's will spank a stock GTP but getting top end hp= lower 1/4 et's requires cam, headers, dhp or eq.,HVTB , and larger injector's. not to sound like a "GT hater" but where are you getting your numbers from, I always thought that the GTP was the torque monster of the two, and as we all know torque peaks occour at mid RPM`s, just curious...
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#107643 - 04/26/04 08:49 PM
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Well, reading up and looking at some of those KBB prices I think I'll go with the GTP. I'm a sucker for more power and a superchager. But, it'll still be a while before I can get mine! I still need to fix some of the problems with my truck so I can hopefully get about 4k for it. Otherwise, I'm going to be really happy to be a GP owner. I've always wanted one of these years! Plus my girlfriend isn't going to let me buy any other car, hah. Oh, BTW, GT/GTP came standard with leather seating didn't it? I'm just curious, cause all that I see have leather. I don't much like leather, but I can deal with it for a sweet car. Buring Civics and Preludes left and right will be a thrill. Certainly move a lot quicker and get a lot better gas milage than I'm used to. Oh and by the way, what are the MPG numbers on these? Just curious, my Bronco gets a whopping 9mpg. Insurence as well, I assume it's pretty high for a sporty sedan?
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#107644 - 04/27/04 07:15 AM
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I don't believe leather was standard. There are plenty GTs/GTPs with cloth seats. Although, leather is the more common of the two. Gas mileage is going to vary with driving styles and geographic area. If you have a heavy foot and live in the mountains... count on your gas mileage sucking. My '97 GTP (back a few years ago) was seeing 32 MPG hwy and 28 MPG city. Now that it's a bit older and getting just a little worn out, I'm seeing 29/23. BTW I live in central VA where it's relatively flat with just a little rolling hills.
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#107645 - 04/27/04 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by GTPjack: Hey Marc, I got your back with the 97's Thanks Jack! I appreciate that...
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#107647 - 04/27/04 08:30 AM
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Here we go again with the age thing! What is an adult? 21 as the law sees it? 30's married with children and a home, 40's cheating on his wife with the hot office help? 50's dreaming of retirement sitting on the porch watching traffic go by? Take a long look at the next street rod show or cruise in and judge their age. Most are from the 50's and the start of drag racing! Just kidding guys.....I have a Daytona 2000 GTP owned by my wife (I won't give her age, but she graduated in 59) Her car will be 4-sale soon.
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#107648 - 04/27/04 09:30 AM
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I agree with tc... age, maturity, responsibility,... those are relative at best. I'm picking up my Mom's '99 GTP in July to replace my '97. It's in great shape with @ 37K miles on it. Oh, BTW... she's a member of AARP.
I've notice a lot of GTPs that are owned by older folks who (by the looks of them) probably don't even know what a supercharger is, let alone modify one.
When buying a used car, know what kind of car you're looking for and be as educated about them as you can. Know what nagging problems the model has and whether or not there was a factory fix for it. It's not hard to protect yourself so long as your smart about it.
Marc
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#107649 - 04/27/04 11:03 AM
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I bet my GTP has been driven easier than any other car on here.
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