I was coming home on RT 287 in Jersey behind my cousin in his new 5 series. I was dying to see if his ride was all that. I pulled up next to him and it was ON. I pulled in front of him fast and furious. He couldn't catch up. I let off the gas to let him catch up because I was going to his house before going home. He was amazed that the GTP was that fast. As I was leaving his house, I noticed an air filter box in his garage. I said, did you put a CAI in the Bimmer? he said yeah. I just went Hmmm. I said F you just as I was leaving with a big smile.

Correction- He said F you as I was leaving.

I think he just let you go

standard? Bad driver?

He never said what 5 series. 525 has only 184 hp and the 530 has 225 both from I6s the 545 has the 325hp V8. Id hope that a stock GTP could beat out a 525 and a 530 should be a good run for the money but still on the losing end. All are RWD and DOHC the 530s and 545s are optioned with the six speed manual. Id say beating out a 525 wouldnt be worth braggin about. Its like bragging about beating up you 10 year old brother when your like 20.

For the record, he has an M package V-8 with a 6 spd. It's not an actual M but it was an option to make it do something like an M. I have not driven his car but he drove mine on a rigorous test drive and he said that he thought that my GTP felt like it accelerated a bit stronger than his car. With every option, his car is pushing 4000lbs. As far as driving ability, my cousin is a Jersey State Trooper. I don't think there is any performance data on the GTP in any mag that tells how fast the GTP accelerates from 75 mph to 110. But side by side at 75 to 110, the GTP pulled ahead with authority and left no doubt that it was quicker. More refined or luxurious? No. Quicker? Yes. Handling? I wouldn't think so. It's also at least $20k more expensive. Would I trade him? Yes.

Then I revert back to my original post he let you go stock V8 in BMW is 325 hp matched to a six speed. On a roll like that He'd own you

Yeah... no way you beat out the BMW V8... I call Bullshit on that.

235rwhp 274rwtq. That's what a 540i sport M spec dyno's at. That's the model. It's rated at 290 hp before the rear wheels. It weighs 3800lbs. I don't know what the GTP's fwhp dyno's at. Maybe somebody that knows, can post it. 240hp at the flywheel. Just 50 less. But the GTP weighs 3384lbs. I run without a spare or jack, but I have two cans of fix a flat. I find it odd that someone says they drove a CAMARO 170mph and nobody finds anything stange about that. I say my GRAND PRIX out-accelerated a BMW from 75 to about 110mph and I am called out on it. This is a GRAND PRIX support group after all. Come on Grand Prixers, how about some support. And somebody that has made 4 posts since May should wait at least until their 20th post before swearing. Here is somebody's BMW page for reference.

http://www.texasfeldmans.com/pages/stuart/540i.htm#dyno

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/23155
Factory numbers for the 540i

Is his a wagon or sedan? The wagon only weighs 3726 and the sedan a svelt 3450 dont know where you got your numbers from by looking at that link above Id say even the 4.4L 8 will be a challenge let alone the M spec 4.9L

So either your friend cant drive or he let your head get big

I can hear Jack yelling from the next state over........

Here's another link from Car and Driver. Look at the 03 sedan info, then just beneath it is the wagon info. An M spec is not an M5 and does not have the 394 hp engine. By the way, please sell your GP and buy the Bimmer. It's ok. Then you can tell everyone how much faster it is than your last car.

What? A 5 series that weighs less than a 3 series. Uh no. The 3 series weigh in at 3400-3500 and the 5 series weigh in at 3800-3900. Acoording to edmunds.com.

I posted the link for the 2003 540i in 2004 the 540i became the 545i and the 545i wieghs in at 3700

What I posted is for 2003. The 2004 545i weighs ~50lbs more than the 2003. Not to metion it's rearend looks like ass now!

My cousin's car is a 2003. He bought the 03 model because he thought the 04's were fugly. I don't know what all the fuss is. What is so difficult to understand? There are laws of physics going on here. A 3800 lb car has more mass to move than a 3300 lb car. Eventhough the heavier car has 50 more horsepower, it's still 500lbs more to move. A close ratio 6 speed helps, but it's still 500 lbs. And Consumer Reports is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a reliable source of info. If I was trying to find performance data on a car, that would be the last place I looked. They are consistantly wrong. I use Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and I check club sights to read first hand postings.

BTW, here's the Car and Driver link that I forgot to put in a few posts ago.

http://www.caranddriver.com/search.asp?section_id=1&article_id=0

I'm getting lost here....

I think somebody is smoking more than a beemer
P'CHOP

Cops always get the best sh't.

Thats because I weigh ~3500 lbs and have ~350hp :p 170mph wasnt all that hard to hit. BTW..speedo ends at 150mph...so you have to go by a gear calculator. 5300rpm in OD ... Stock LS1 Camaros top at 162 because of a fuel cutoff...the same engine in a C5 Corvette is capable of 175+ in stock form. No bullshit to call.

If we were talking an M series....two vehicles one with SIGNIFICANTLY less hp claims to have pulled on the other... hmm... From experience... The GTP I test drove DROPPED off badly at 100mph... and was dying from 80 on up to that point.. I call bs too sorry.

It's not an M5. Read the posts. I didn't question your claim. Relax.

can this thread die already

RIP

no

Yeah..I actually screwed up that last paragraph a bit.. It should have said..IF it was an M5/M3..since its not.. that changes it. Sorry I rushed to quickly when I replied.

Come on. Let's keep this crazy train rollin!!

my absolute dream would be to build a GTP sleeper. normal on the outside but inside full of piss and vinegar. I have beaten a few Japs, but never touched a newer Bmer except for one of the puny ones. The base models , though with less power, still have a good start and may give you run for your money. For certain, German engineering is superior - look who came up with all the good stuff. I mean even von Brown was German and he is the father of the modern jet engine. Sad thing is that all good tech is first used to kill man then to better it.

Hmmmm GTP sleeper..... first off needs to be a four door, De Badge, then remove the rear spoiler, install front and rear clip from a 97 SE, remove the dual tipped exhaust go with one free flowin muffler. Cant get much more of a sleeper then that with the GPs

Sleeper. Not coma.

Itll still be a GTP just looks like an SE ya itll be ugly but it'll be a true "sleeper".

Herc, Sleeper does not mean regression! most want to revamp the body to show off what little work they have done to the engine bay. I have kept the original exterior with not additions except the Speed Grills. Had a mechanic buddy who was deep into swapping massive power into smaller cars. Granted GTP is not small, but I am sure someone one day will drop a V8 and a bigger tranny and squeeze major horse out of it. There was a bonneville that was tested on the Flats with over 600HP.

Don"t forget the steel 15" wheels and hubcaps.
I'm goin' to "SLEEP" now P'CHOP

The definition of sleeper is something that looks mundane like the 97 SE but performs way beyond any expectations. Granted most sleepers are cars that were never designed or originally meant for performance but daily toiling on the highways and byways. I wouldnt call a V-8 GTP a sleeper since GTPs are supposed to be aggresive to begin with or a BB Camaro.

Hey nothing to lose here, that Beemer let you win,,bottom line, don't let the fact that your car is S/Charged. BMW rules, I race them every chance I get, the dealer is around the corner from me....I own a GP/GT with a little trick's & a Vibe GT SC @ 357 hp.......HE LET YOU WINNNN.

Actually as he said..it wasnt an M series..and I can vouch .. Ive raped a couple mighty V12 variety (Ahem..lots of power..too much weight) BMWs. If it was a regular 5 series... Even at the most potent HP level..the GTP still has advantage...flat trq curve and no where near the weight. Seems BMW should put a few cars on diets. :p

For sake of argument.. BMW 2004 545i Stats
"The M45 does 0-60 in 5.7 sec. and 1/4 in 14.3 sec. " I imagine the M6 wouldnt have a whole lot more over the M45. Maybe high 13s?

Yeah .. the best sleeper cars are Old Mustangs (The ones that used to have the 289 and now some crazy buildup is tucked away under the hood), Usually anything from the 80s. LMAO.. even a built Corvette is a sleeper..cuz the C4 cars were pathetic! GNs = notorious sleepers, olds cutlass cars, etc...

Do you guys read Hot Rod? They had a Chevette with a BIG caddy motor stuffed in it and ran 12's. That's a sleeper.

no way a vette can be a sleeper. The average Joe would see "corvette" and say to himself thats a fast car. Even the pathetic mid 70s to late 80s vettes might have been pathetic but look at all the other pathetic ehhmmm "muscle cars" NOT of that time frame. A stock 85 vette would still own a stock 85 Z-28. Sleepers have to be something along the lines of a Grocery getter, cookie cutter styled car. A good chevy sleeper woulda been the late 80s Caprice Classics.

Station wagons make the best sleepers.

In about 88 when I had a Mustang resto business, I was filling up my 67 at a gas station. This older black guy wanted to race me for the title. He was driving a 4 door Chrysler boat. My Stang had a heavily worked 351 Cleveland and probobly could've run low twelves on street tires. I declined the challenge. That guy had just too much huztba with that giant 4 door to not worry. A sleeper?

you dont build a sleeper to fool the general public. Hell a Stock GTP would qualify once you took off the badge (general public doesnt know they are fast.) You build a sleepter to fool those who do know

I think it's time for a dedicated sleeper post.

I agree....might take the GT off the Vibe

I just created a thread with this link... but I thought I'd add it here too.

http://www.car-videos.com/performance/