Wrong, Billet's arent specifically used for "ssm90" apps, i had Billet fuel logs on my last GTP.

Well obviously Jeremy but when it comes to the ssm90 your only option is the billet fuel logs. I'm not that stupid...

Ben heres a good looking top swap for ya

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=5035532&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

Thanks jorgs for posting that, i got in contact with the seller, he hasn't sold nething yet. I told him I would take it off his hands. I will have extra cash to buy PCM, and gaskets, and injectors if i have to..

Also maybe 4drGT (Andrew) can help me install it or at least get me headed in correct direction with it. I have a backup car and I realize my car may be in the garage for a few weeks. I have proper tools in Iowa, but what about the crank bolt, what is needed to get that off and what is needed to get the balancer out?

This tool





Also I would deff get some stock L67 injectors cheap or spring for 42's if you know you will get mod happy down the line.

Can I bypass the balancer all together and go with an Modular pulley?

That tool is to pull it. To break it you need a diff tool to keep from turning the motor. Don't be an idiot and put a bar between your flex plate... buy the tool its safer. It will take two people the first time breaking that bolt.

ok here ya go, if your planning on doing a simple swap just because you want the little extra power, you can do the top swap ... just bypass the extra tensoner and the additional time and effort to install the balancer, if you do just the simple swap use the ssm90 style pulley thats ofset so you can use one single belt. search some threads, even the older threads that i started about the same issues,


SSM90 kit would be the simple fast thing, all you need is the install kit, ssm90 LIM, supercharger modded for the ssm90 and the ssm90 fuel logs. I have said this before, with this kit you only have to do LIM up, otherwise with the traditional top swap you need to do heads up that means you have to pull your old heads, also if you get a set of heads in "top swap" that you buy used i would highly sugest having the heads go to a machine shop to make sure they are flat and there are no cracks or anything which costs about 150 or so, otherwise you can end up with putting a set of junk heads on. and have to pull them off again later.

if you do heads then you need new rocker bolts and head bolts and gaskets, which with the ss kit you wouldnt have to mess with any of it.

if you are doing a simple swap and just want a sc DO THE SSM90 if you plan on modding and going with like a cam/intercooler/larger injecters ect ect go with the top swap if you look it it in the end they are the about the same cost


also earlyer when you were asking me about pulley sizes, ok so your gt has higher compression than a gtp, it is due to the rods and pistons, so no mater what you do top swap or ssm90 you will have the higher compression so your pulley sizing will be diffrent, with the ssm90 kit you use a 4.2 which would roughly = a 3.8 in order to drop to a 4.0 which would roughly= a 3.4 you need to up grade inj and use gtp injectors. you wont be able to go smaller without doing more mods ask tim

The top swap I can get for 350+ shipping, would u take that over an SSM90 kit? Or should I spend roughly 1000-2000 and get the SSM90? I have a lot of time I can go with my car in garage to be worked on, I have a backup vehicle. So if i bypass the balancer I think I could do it. The heads would be the hardest part for me.

I looked @ ZZPerformance but I only see the modular pulleys for the SS Kit, would that be the offset pulley or am I missing an option or item?

If you look @ the link that jorgs posted it comes with head bolts, and some gaskets, along with injectors and fuel rails. Can someone look at what this guy is selling and tell me what all its missing. Thanks.

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=...Check=867040896

ben, buy the guys kit off clubgp! Honestly, dont waste your time with the SSM90 because you WILL want to get it modded further. If i were to do it all over again, I would go staright for the 42# inj and get the fuel pump rewire kit as well(just to be on the safe side). Also pick up a set of LSx 90# springs.

If you want to know what it is missing ask him for everything he has included and look on the FAQ's section on here to see what you all need and compare the two lists.

To Andrew and Ben: I am running a 3.8 pulley with TOG headers with a 3" catted zzp TOG style DP, and ZZP 1.9 Modified Rockers. I can easily go down to a 3.6 but I would need to tweak the tune a little bit.

i didnt say anything about your pulley size, i was just telling ben, because he wanted to drop right to a 3.8/3.4

but ben you can use the ss style pulley so that means yous only use one belt unlike gtp's that use 2 belts so you dont have to worry about the balancer

Ben I hope you arent taking a bite more than you can chew, but wow thats a better deal than I thought, I didnt see that it came with all the vitals for the heads.

You might as well buy headers and throw a cam in that motor and put it in all at once.... Tim what did you do in your whole top swap? Headers and rockers?

I'm buying the kit off the guy on clubgp. I will collect everything and hopefully by my thanksgiving break I can install it all. I will ask the guy about the heads and their condition. I understand they will need to be cleaned thoroughly.

I will not get a cam or headers, the top swap will be hard enough for me. I'm just considered about the condition of the parts, because its off a rusting high mileage car. I found the Top Swap instructions and have looked through them, it sounds tough but I have a backup vehicle so there's no real problem there. I will have all the time in the world to complete it so I wont have to rush and can do things correctly.

Btw thanks Andrew for your help on this, it has been much appreciated.

What makes you think you can't mod the SS M-90 kit ,just swap to a GTP pulley system and your good ,I have a combo SS kit and TS and am running a cam ,ported heads with a 3.25" pulley all on a SS M-90 kit,that said I would go with the TS if you are able to do the work yourself the only reason I originally went with the ZZP kit is because I already had ST3 heads,but do'nt make blanket statements that you are limited in modding the ZZP kit the only hold back is in IC size and that can be worked out with a custom IC.Chico(pops)

bens main reason why he didnt want the ss kit is because of the overall cost of the kit, Or i hope he doesnt think "you cant mod it" but i think its mainly for the cost of the parts he doesnt want to use for that reason