No not at all. I never said i wanted this topic to die nor complained about it being an old topic. My post was relevent to the topic. Thanks for making sure I wasnt being a hypocrite though.....

Yeah, this is getting to be a pointless argument. What it's starting to boil down to is that apparently some people look at different qualities in what makes a good car than others. To me, it's much much more than who's is faster. Remember the turbocharged Omni's from the mid 80's? Was that considered to be a better car than anything else?

A car's acceleration time is a very small fraction of what it takes to make one car better than another. It's a nowhere argument unfortunately.

Ok then -- the overall Quallity of the GP is better than the GA.. it is better handling, interior, exterior.. and just built on a better platform.

So there you have it -- the GP wins by default! and as a bonus it is faster!

Which means the GP is wayyyyyy better than the GTO by standards that you are implying. The only thing the GTO has remotly better than the GP is the V8.

So I would agree it is way more than the straight line speed

Thank you!

Actually if you want to get technical, the GA's platform is one of the stiffest in the industry, more rigid than many Japanese and certain BMW models by up to 30%. This makes the whole car more rigid, which results in better handling and less squeaks and rattles, among other things.What makes you think the GP's is better, besides that you think it's better. The almost entire way of judging the quality of a platform or chassis is it's rigidity and stiffness. The GA's design is two years newer than ours, and uses all of the later generation equipment, like switches, controls, even radio to name a few. The handling of the GA is better, that is if you know what handling really is. It's a smaller, lighter car. To say the GP is worlds better is just ignorant; just look at the wieght and physics. The fit and finish is actually also better on a GA, also due to newer, more updated quality standards and tooling than ours. Now keep in mind, I'm refering to the 97-03 models of the GP, not the new ones. This is the 97-03 board, so I assumed that's what we were comparing to. The 04 is, yes, closer in quality to the current GA's. But overall, an opinion means more when it is based on fact, not just one sided words backed by pretty much nothing.

And that's one man's opinion. Lighten up.

So there you have it Alex. I'd say print all of these threads, show them to your friends boss, then cram 'em all down his friggin throat. Just to teach him to keep his friggin mouth shut.

GTPJack

Alright, glad to see this thread come to an end.

It's all just opinions so...

Yes, asking others on a Grand Prix board for their opinion on this topic, wouldn't one assume it'd be a little biased?

all I have to say is that I drove both cars before I bought my GTP, that`s why I`m here and not on GRANDAM.NET (if it even excists)

this coming to an end....sniff sniff ,,justmakes me wanna cry..

I had an '89 Grand Am with the Quad Four...I miss that car, but I love my GTP!

Just to get the thread ttt

i think that this thread is kinda like nose hairs, keeps comin back no matter how much you pull it out

I really like my wife's GA. It's quick, handles better than my GTP but is not faster(not even close). You can buy a new loaded GA GT with leather and a sunroof, with rebates, out the door for under $20 grand. With the money you save, you can then mod the hell out of it and still have some left. That being said, for about the same cash you can buy a Neon, mod it, and be in the low 13's, high 12's. I don't know what you would have to do to a GA to make it that quick. I don't think it's possible. The GA however, rides way nicer than the Neon. I would take the loaded GA over the Neon if I had to choose. It may not be faster but is just nicer all around. The Neon feels like a tin box while the GA feels solid. Both are chick cars or something you would get your kid as far as I'm concerned.