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#129411 - 10/25/07 10:06 PM Top End Swap
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This may seem like a silly question. But what exacty is a top end swap? I have hurd it around..got no clue.
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#129412 - 10/25/07 10:19 PM Re: Top End Swap
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its where you swap out the heads and intake from your L36 for heads/intake/blower from an L67...converting your GT to a pressurized engine...you need less pulley reduction due to the L36 pistons higher comp ratio.
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#129413 - 10/25/07 10:32 PM Re: Top End Swap
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can it be done with a non-supercharged L36?
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#129414 - 10/25/07 11:21 PM Re: Top End Swap
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Originally posted by BlackTop Vinyl:
can it be done with a non-supercharged L36?
...?

I don't think you understand.

You take your naturally aspirated L36 engine, take off EVERYTHING from the block the block up, including the heads, low intake and upper intake.

Then you take those same kinds of parts from a SUPERCHARGED L67, and put them on your L36.

You do this ebecause it allows you to use the L67's M90 supercharger on your non-supercharged L36.

Get it?
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#129415 - 10/26/07 04:47 PM Re: Top End Swap
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Yeah i think so. How much does somethin like that run...w/o the supercharger that is...
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#129416 - 10/26/07 06:15 PM Re: Top End Swap
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Pointless without the S/C.

The only reason for swapping the heads is because the fuel injector placement on the L36 heads will not allow the LIM (Lower Intake Manifold)to bolt onto the heads. That LIM is required to run the S/C which also doubles as the upper manifold.
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#129417 - 10/26/07 06:25 PM Re: Top End Swap
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why would u do the top end swap and not put on a S/C? That kind of defeats the purpose of doing the top end swap
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#129418 - 10/26/07 07:47 PM Re: Top End Swap
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Quote:
Originally posted by BlackTop Vinyl:
Yeah i think so. How much does somethin like that run...w/o the supercharger that is...
Ok. No, no, no.

I understand that you don't know what a top-swap is but now I think you also aren't listening.

When you top-swap, you convert your L36 into an L67.

The only reason TO DO THE TOP-SWAP, is to put the supercharger on the car.

Why wouldn't you want to put the supercharger on the car? And I don't care what reason you have, the next question is, why are you doing a top-swap if you DON'T WANT the supercharger?

I don't want to come of TOO offensive but...

Anyway, to answer your question on cost, it's like $800 in hard parts from Ed Morad, and thne $300 in gaskets. Then you also should have supporting mods like larger downpipe, colder t-stat, the usual stuff.


EDIT: Unless you already HAVE an M90 sitting around, in which case, you could knock I think... $200 of the $800 for hard parts.

But honestly, I'm going to tell you what I tell anybody who asks if they can supercharge, turbo, etc. there car;

If you are asking if you can do it, you can't. When you have learned enough to know that you can do it, you are able to.
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#129419 - 10/26/07 11:29 PM Re: Top End Swap
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^^lonezergling^^ well said, i think last line is now your OFFICAL QUOTE!!!
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#129420 - 10/27/07 12:03 AM Re: Top End Swap
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x2 nice!!!
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#129421 - 10/27/07 12:26 AM Re: Top End Swap
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Blacktop Vinyl,

If you have more questions just ask. Don't be intimidated by these guys. I think they are being a bit hard on you.
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#129422 - 10/27/07 12:28 AM Re: Top End Swap
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Originally posted by lonezergling:


When you top-swap, you convert your L36 into an L67.
Not really. Still has the L36 bottom end and tranny gearing.

But it does turn your L36 into a supercharged L36.
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#129423 - 10/27/07 02:02 AM Re: Top End Swap
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It could be that he meant how much do the engine parts for the top-swap cost. The M90 can be found online, but maybe he wanted to know how much the REST of it costs. *shrugs* Just a thought.
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#129424 - 10/27/07 11:18 AM Re: Top End Swap
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Quote:
Originally posted by UMfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by lonezergling:
[b]

When you top-swap, you convert your L36 into an L67.
Not really. Still has the L36 bottom end and tranny gearing.

But it does turn your L36 into a supercharged L36. [/b]
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Zerg- chill out. You were in the exact same position not long ago. Seriously, the guy has made 3 posts and youre treating him crappy. Give him a while to take it all in
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#129425 - 10/27/07 11:19 AM Re: Top End Swap
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Originally posted by BlackTop Vinyl:
This may seem like a silly question. But what exacty is a top end swap? I have hurd it around..got no clue.
if you dont want to deal with some of this, then you can PM me.
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