Ok this isn't any mod or problem question its more of personal oppinion. I was having a conversation with some of my friends and they think that the grand prixs have no street credibility, that noone views them as a fast car That made me mad ofcourse cause i think there pretty giddy up fast... I mean any gtp or gt could beat most hondas.... so what does everyone think and what are your oppinions

Please add Mike

Well so far I have never lost to a Mustang GT. Have a lot of mods, but a 6 VS an 8, what are your friends looking for?
What kind of cars are your friends driving?

Well, not too many people respect them untill they have seen our cars first hand. I know my friend with a Mustang GT respects my car now and wants to show his other friends with Mustangs at Milan in the spring. Nobody really seems to know to much about our cars and many are intrigued when they see them. So if you want to change our image with somebody, race them.

Tonight on my way back from ohio with a buddy he just bought another GTP. we both raced a corvett and i was faster then my buddys GTP and i kept up with the Vett till 126mph. then my govener went off. we stoped at a rest area and talk to the vett owner and he was supprised that i kept up with him, ME TO!!! i just figured i would tell you guys about my fun ride home.

i think the reason behind this is the great numbers of SE's out there in stock trim driving around with Dudly Doorites driving them,it gives us a bad image.

I'm one of those SE drivers out there trying to not give GPers a bad image, and Dudly Doorite is not a description that fits me
Honestly, I think alot of people - younger import-lovers especially - just don't know anything about our cars. One of my friends, who knows quite a bit about imports had the impression that GPs were super-heavy, low performance cars. He was surprised at what I got my SE to do, and I told him that he would crap his pants if he saw some of cars you guys own - especially the kind of numbers Chico pulls with his GT!

I think they don't know much because of the media hype that ricers have been labeled. They see images and think: "VTEC, oh s@#t that's fast!!!" and they don't realize the money, time and love that goes into the car. But, it sure is nice when you beat a ricer.

LOL notice I said stock SE's I'M sure you do'nt fall into that catagory.

I agree with Chico here GP's are many, in this area at least and its usually a, "baby the car till the wheels fall off" type person even in GTP's ive only met a few out of the hundreds ive seen that actually drive them quickly. Mine is a good deal faster than a GT and I dont tend to use it but when I need to its great, its alot faster than most cars youll see out there, and most people do underestimate gp's till they race one, but then theyre all nods and compliments after especially considering theyre heavy cars but they carry it pretty well. If someone is curious just

What year and model was that 'vette you ran, GTP4life? Was it stick or auto? Did the guy know how to drive? C5's trap WAY higher than a lightly modded GTP, just wondering...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GTP4LIFE:
buddys GTP and i kept up with the Vett till 126mph. then my govener went off.


I was told by a GM service tech that stock PCM has a governor at 148, just thought that was odd yours went off at 126, not to piss anybody off, just that's what I heard, does anybody else know different!!

The 04 may be governed to 148mph but 97-03 have a 126mph limiter.

what do all of your speedometers go up to? i thoguht the 97-99 only went up to 110? or am i wrong jsut let me know please?

HUD reads all the way to 199.

a but the speedometer stops at 110? and hud goes up to 199 correct?

Numbers go to 110, gauge shows 115.

Mine goes to 190km hr but I've rapped it to the odometer.

Talking about street credit. My friend has a 99-00 Mustang GT, HE has a few mods. Intake, superchip, exhaust and someother junk i cant remember. Either way, he has always ragged on my GTP. After many pleas he accepted my challange to race. We raced twice off the line. First time, he beat me. My front bumper was at his front wheel. Second time around, it was a different story. Off the line I had him by aleat two cars. The lead just kept getting bigger. About 75-80 mph, i took my foot off the pedal. I thought that the reason he was so far behind was that his radar was going off. A few seconds later he passes me. He decarled it a victory for him, but if i'd kept on going there would be no chance he would of caught up to me. Later, He said he was "impressed" by the GTP's. Since then he has not made any jokes about my car!!!

Next time, have your own radar detector and win!

I think a big part of it is that the car has a kinda of big sedan family car image which in turn makes people second guess the car. But once they get spanked by one thier opinion differ greatly. I respect anything that is well built and doesn't look like trash. For instance my friend Sam has a 95 Buick Roadmaster Wagon full wood trim and all, except for the loud whistle from the blower no one would guess that it was a mid 12's car.

my take on the deal is that when I was younger and Detroit was building cars with V8 smogger engines, a car with 200hp was considered a rocket...the guys that still owned the older musclecars couldnt get gas with enough octane to make them really run (unless they went to the local airport)...and even later, I remember when the Taurus SHO first hit the lots with 200hp, all the magazines raved...now 200hp is commonplace, even considered pedestrian...but so many of these import tuner cars required turbos and NOS to make all the gawdawful power these kids see...so few of them truly have the goods...so when they tangle with an honest 200-300hp engine that actually has some torque, that doesnt make for much of a street encounter...my GP with its few simple mods is as fast as many cars I've owned in the years gone by, and NONE of those cars got 28-30mpg...to me the GP is one of the best combos of ride, room, comfort and performance that detroit has ever rolled out...its easy not to think of them as performance cars because they do so many things well, which is why I think there are so many sedans out there owned by everymen...but I bet they still love it when they step on the

I say to that ThunderBat!

I respect anything that is well built and doesn't look like trash. For instance my friend Sam has a 95 Buick Roadmaster Wagon full wood trim and all, except for the loud whistle from the blower no one would guess that it was a mid 12's car. [/QB][/QUOTE]

there was a guy here that sold used cars. he was on S.R. 551 near orlando that had muscle cars from the `70`s and he got them from saudi arabia , kuwait , and all over the mid east.

i dont know if they were clones or the real deal but he had cams and road runners etc etc and they all had middle eastern stickers that showed these cars ran in desert road rallys.

he had a buick road master fourdoor, triple black that he pick up in saudia arabia, about the same your talkin about. this monster had a narrowed axle, wide tires on all four corners, hugh sun tach with a custom steering wheel and a roll cge.

but what really impressed me was the tricked out dual turbo LT-1 350. and he said it was street legal.

I love those cars!!!
I'd like to get one and put an Impala front facia on it and lower it, Flowmasters, KYB's, paint it black with dark tinted windows...WOOHOO!!!!
Look like an Impala SS wagon, talk about your "grocery getter"!

My grandma had a 94 roadmaster, It was when i was little but if i recall correctly it had the LT-1 in it. Am I correct on this? I think thats all they came with then.

this guy with a 2005 passat tdi(turbo diesel) challenged me i looked it up and it has 134 horsepower turbocharged... should i accept?? easy victory or no?

I dont know, In a way Im glad they don't get alot of street cred. I know I could be thrown into the younger "import crowd" but thats one reason I went with the GP to get away from that. I much rather go with a v6 than a p.o.s 4 cy that has a body kit that is 4 diffrent colors, not to mention the suprise when they see ur tail lights.

I had my 3100 SE up a little past 110 a while back...I'm so proud...LOL
It coulda went a little more, but the radar detector was going off....

LOOK this pisses me off. I've raced every honda at me job and has beaten ALL of them. Even this one guy with a dual exhaust and V6. I've even shut down a couple of mustangs with the exception of one. This guy HAS a mustang gt BUT he's got a suped up COBRA engine pushing 500hp. He's the only on I can't mess with. Those ratty mazda, this guy tryed to fix his up like fast and furious, the red one, he did some engine work, but couldn't hang.

All I'm trying to say is STEP UP AND BUST SOME HINGES OFF THE DOORS.

And keep in mind, I'm having problems with my ABS controll module and still shut'em down!!!!

Way to go Texas!
Our "wee lil" 3100 may not outdo the bulletproof 3800, but sure is fun to drive anyways! By the way - did you find a way to mount your CAI yet? If not I have an idea for you that worked for me pretty well.

Not yet.......
Let me know your idea...I could use one....LOL

If you want, when you work on my second set of LED's I'll build you a box, like mine.

yea they "CAME" with LT-1's but he changed it over, he stroked the motor to a 383. and now it has subtle lt4 badging on it

Don't bash on all 4cyl, liek i said before i respect anything that is well built and doesn't look liek trash. trust me i know plenty of 4 bangin hondas and mitsubishis that can tear most people a new one. yes i agree most altezza/euro whatever you wish to call them tail light look just straight out silly. but that it where the line gets drawn . When your car turns into a rice mobile instead of an import( yes there is a difference ) thats when i start to dislike their car.

im talkin about the LT-1`s that came in the vette`s back in the early `70`s.

the buick roadmaster that i saw parked in the garage was a completely modified, $$ no object type of vehicle that is probaly OOAV that if we all had the $$ we do what ever we want so we could and look good while we do it.

OOAV= one only actual vehicle

Roadmasters are not dogs, for a big heavy car they move pretty good.

especially when you got twin turbo`s sittin on top

Milan Dragway???
My God I ran that track right after it opened. Used to have a "I'll ripe your trans out" dip right after start line. They ran some blowen Chevy II's out there and ate the strip up. They jacked them in the air and took them to 8 grand. Then they kicked the jack stands out.
Hope they did some work on it, it was junk.

I detailed and drove a '92 roadmaster today.....For a big friggin car like that, it sure did have the get-up-and-go. It has a big buffet table for a dash...LOL

4, 6, 8. It doesn't matter. As long as proper engineering went into it.

GPs don't need street cred. They are sleepers. They race, many win, and then they go to red lobster later that night.

I second that motion!!!

Nice!

I do agree there are some nice 4 cyc out there. My friends Integra ...has a ton of work put into (turbo v-tech)it and is really nice DCP, but I guess I was more speaking in a generality. At Least where I live most of the suped up 4 cyc are junk cars that kids go on ebay and buy a "turbo muffler."

Funny story about that, back when I had a v6 LeBaron, a friend and I were racing back home one day both going over a hundred. We pass this Camary (We had both seen it before) twin turbo mufflers on the back, no turbo 4 cyc, full blowen body kit. The thing had no chance when he tried to catch up. It was funny.

That LeBaron was a fun car, too bad tranny blew out. Dang chrysler trans.

You know GP is the best "bolt on" car ever built. How many cars do you know that you can spend a couple bucks, bolt a part on and pick up 20-30 extra HP.
For the same money, rice burners get a loud muffler.

I think that is a little bias, as anyone that owns performance cars thinks that they have the best bolt on car ever made, dont get me wrong I love my car, but if I want to get serious power out of it, I need to drop some cash, instead I have seen 88-93 mustangs that go high 12 with a very limited budget...our car is a great sleeper though.

My friend has a 93 Mustang GT that has the blue top and the silver bottom. Trunk keyhole shaved, all emblems shaved, custom airbrushed 302 on the side, and custom Mustangs running along his 3" cowl hood. That thing is an utter beast. He used to have the aluminum GT40 heads on it, but sold them.

Anyway, its lowered about 2 inches from the ground. Its a nitemare on speed bumps, but its still my favorite mustang around.

Yea wtf do you do if your car is 2in off the ground and u run into a place when u have to hit some speed bumps? Wouldnt your car fall on the bump in the middle and dent the f*ck out of your entire sideskirt/undercarriage?

Probably.

When I drive out to the ocean, I go over some nasty bumps. Last summer I stayed at a hotel and scraped my exhaust on the parking ramp (very steep grade).

I will never get my car lowered because of the possible damage around here.

Yeah, it looks mean as hell, but completely impracticle.

He has to go over speed bumps diagonally.

Cars with superchargers, turbos, or especially diesels are the best bolt-on cars. You can throw mustangs in there too due to the great aftermarket support. Civic's aftermarket is more geared toward looks and sound than power.

With the GP tranny, I wouldn't rank it as the best.