my uncle thinks his bone stock 04 monte carlo ss can spank my bone stock 98 grand prix gtp. i told him no way. i dont ever think his monte could take my 08 torrent gxp. lol. what do you think guys think. who should win?

So enlighten me, you said he wanted to take your GTP, and then you stated your 08 torrent gxp. Which cars are you racing here? Regardless, talk is cheap, race and find out.

well he actually said he could take both of my cars. so i think i will race him against both of them, one at a time. i think i should be able to take him with both, but only one way to find out. hit the drag strip and put ur money where your mouth is.

/end thread and or delete for its non-usefulness.

well i would like to know what everyone thinks on who should win.

I think everyone here will think that the faster car should win(the only logical thing), and the only way to determine this is to RACE, like I said, talk is cheap, race and find out.

yea thats true. but i have heard that the 97-03 grand prix gtp's were faster than 04 monte carlo ss's. but i guess we will just race and find out. and find out if my torrent gxp is faster too, i think it should be too.

Add a Tornado to those cars and your cars will be faster than a ZR1.

Lmao

Ouch lol...burn.

If it's the non-sc model then it's the same 3.8 that's in the Grand Prix GTs, but his Monte is a couple hundred pounds lighter.

If it's the sc model then you two have the same engine and will be similarly powered and, interestingly enough, have similar weight. About 30lbs difference.

I looked up the weight to, thought it was interesting how close they were in weight. I think it'd be a fair race, just go and try it out and see who wins.

I take it the SS is SC'ed? As far as a race bone stock the GTP would be a hair faster just because the 04 MCSS has a more agressive PCM and TC .

Tornado, that will live on forever.

Those cars are simular, I think it will be based on who's the better driver. As far as the Torrent GXP, it does have a little bit more horsepower(260 I think) but since the torrent gxp is an suv it weights more than the Monte SS and the Monte might win but I could be wrong.

04+ L32s are hampered big time by torque management. But in all reality it will be a driver's race. Either car on any day.

i see you cant let the tornado thing die, i already explained all that many times and let it go, but some just have to bring it up again. thats crazy. but any way. the torrent gxp has 265 hp bone stock. the monte ss is supercharged with the same engine as my 98 gtp. so it should be a close race. i only ran my gtp once with a best time of 14.85 a friend of mine has a 04 monte ss and his best time is a 15.33. and the best time i got out of my torrent gxp was a 15.09. so i should be able to take my uncle's 04 monte ss. but he is a pretty good racer too. so we will have to line them all up and see which will win.

Which has been reccomended to you and mentioned by yourself that you need to race, but yet you keep talking about the 2 cars racing. Just race and find out already.

well we will. but some had to throw crap in there that should have been done and over with. i got over it and they should too. i just wanted everyone's take on the races. has anyone ever raced or know anyone that has raced or seen a race between a 04 monte ss and a 97-03 gtp?

Why are you so determined to know who will win? There money on this or something or you just scared you will lose or what?

he just likes to run his jaws, thinks his cars are the greatest. so curious on which should win before i embarrass him. im not afraid i will lose, im confident in my racing skills.

Wait hold up. "So curious on which should win before i embarrass him", this doesn't sound right to me. Your curious to who will win but yet you will embarrass him?

Your only embarrassing yourself.

Oh btw, since your in Ohio, call up Palsut and race him. My money is on Palsut.

/\ Ouch on the Palsut comment.

Didn't this guy say he was good with cars ChrisGT in the famed tornado thread?

Like said, the 04 Monte SS can be SC or NA, if it is NA, you will smoke it unless you spin like mad off the line. If they are both SC, then tires and launch will be the deciding factor, unless one of you is sporting E3 plugs which give you the winning edge. LOL

Ive smoked a good many Montes. Ive seen N/A Montes smoke the life outta GTPs. Go and effin race. Quit typing and start driving. You annoy me.

You guys are really hard on him...

x2, been saying this the entire thread.

There'no telling in heads up racing and to ask (is not thinkin with your dipstick JIMMY)

i was just askin a question didnt need the bs comments. i was just curious to which one would win before we raced. i think i would win and like to talk some trash just like everyone else. but no need for the put downs and all the bs, im sure u guys think you know everything, but im sure you dont, so no need to think ur all that. u annoy me. thanks to the ones that put in some real input. maybe u should call up palsut, maybe he will beat you. lol.

Why create this thread in the first place then since you will win?

lol why my name is on that thread which I have nothing to do with this? :p

He is near Cleveland. I'm from near Cincinnati. That's 4 hours drive between of us. I know he will beat me because my SE is no match to his car/suv. My car is just show car. Not a nascar car. lol

Yeah, talk is nothing work because it is depend on driver. Race will be work. Good luck for race.

Sorry for bringing your name up, its the first SE driver I thought of, I shouldn't of mentioned you.

i just wanted some imput on what people think, not bs. was hopein maybe someone raced a monte ss or something. thats it, not to be put down, its not what its all about, just some serious thoughts and thats all.

well your point is your point, i didnt need the bs and the put downs, u dont know me so u dont need to give the bs. u could have made your point and been done, not keep on with the insults and the rest. i havent said any bs to you. just wanted some imput, and thats all.

You mentioned that you wanted to talk trash before you beat him, isn't this the exact opposite of putting your money where your mouth is?

yea talk trash to him, cuz he talks trash to me, he started this whole thing. but its now to the point where it is put your money where your mouth is, and we will find out who will win this spring between his car and my two cars.

K, post videos of said embarrassment of the monte.

k i will do that for all to enjoy.

Didn't the 04 Monte's come with the L32 with the Gen V? They do have more torque management, though. It should be close. No one will "smoke" anyone.

im not sure what the monte has, i havent had a chance to look under the hood yet. all he said was it was a 3800 series 2 which is what i have in my gtp, but i thought the 04 monte ss had the 3800 series 3. not sure. either way it should be a good race.

Series II

As you can see Ive been being nice and not saying anything. I have beaten SS monte's but that doesn't apply to this topic.

oh ok, well since we both have series II then it will be interesting. not sure about the gear ratio in both cars are or anything yet, i havent checked into all that yet. but still should be a good race between the monte and the grand prix and the monte and the torrent. thanks for bein nice, its not neccesary to talk bs for asking for input. i bet you beat up on some monte's pretty bad. u just dont see too many montes compared to grand prixs around here. has to be a reason for that.

No the 04 monteSS Sc came with L-67 as did the 04 chev Imp.SS left overs at GM ,just clarifying not that it will make a big diff.

So for all you know he could be modded and supercharged if that's all he said.

i thought maybe since the 04 gtp had the series III in it so did the monte. but since we have the same that makes it interesting. oh i know its supercharged, its even a dale jr edition lol. and i know he hasnt modded it, its his wife's car, they barely dive it, it only has 4000 miles on it. it was for sale.

Well if it only has 4000 miles on it, is supercharged (thanks for mentioning this to everyone before who tried to figure out) and has been taken care of (and the guy you know is a decent racer) then he will probably take your GTP and torrent.

Wow. Now my head hurts. Can't we ban this guy for being an obnoxious moron yet?

unfortunately, there is nothing illegal with being a waste of oxygen. It could be worse, he could be Pontiac Dude, Bill Bradley (tell me I aint getting his name mistaken again), or the screen name Pontiac Dude used the first time he was banned.

What we COULD do is jack all his threads...but I dont think he'd clue in to that at all. Oh, well. Sorry, Nemo, looks like we're stuck with...that guy.

Oh well.. Cheap humor I guess

so since its only got 4000 miles on it and takein care of it should take my gtp and torrnet? lol ok. and i like how u guys put down people u dont even know and are miles away, nice lol. so you guys are the smartest guys around, yea lol. i just asked for some imput, not bs. so i should be banned for that? wow. u guys should be banned for puttin down people you know nothing about. i thought this site was for talkin about our cars not puttin people down. if you dont have anything helpful to say, then dont say anything at all. grow up!

This site is for talking about our cars, but its not for talk about illegal street racing and "who should win" races, only way for anyone to really find out is to actual race and shut up already.

This thread is pointless.

/thread.

A 4,000 mile Monte Carlo that is supercharged vs your car (both decent drivers) will be a close match. However I think the monte has an edge w/ the less miles on it over yours.

who said anything about illegal street racing? i sure didnt. we would do our racing at the track in the spring. and i was just askin who some would think would win, or if they raced a monte ss or things like that, and thats it. just wanted some imput before we raced and thats it, didnt need the bs. what is pointless is the bs comments, that wasnt needed just input. if u dont have any postive input then dont say anything. and if this thread is pointless, then why are you posting comments in it?

what the hell does less miles have to do with anyting? my car is a very low mileage car for the year. so less miles doesnt give one more of an edge. i could see if one had over 100,000 on it, but thats not the case. so miles done mean crap.

So what is positive input to you? Is it saying that you will win against the monte?

no postive input is just which some think would win based on experiences or what they read or seen, things like that. well its not just a torrent, its a torrent gxp. which doesnt run too bad for bein a 4500 pound suv. well its a free country, i can start any thread i like, just like you can do the same. but there is no need for bs comments, esp. since your miles away, thats funny. so your the waste of space, you need to grow up. i think you should go and read the user agreement for this site.

Ive been here for long enough to know the rules, thanks though

well if you know the rules, then why arent you following them? it states in there to not put down fellow members. so how about following the rules, and quit tryin to cause drama. i havent put down one person, i have shown respect, and i expect the same in return.

Who cares if he takes his torrent to the track? And no one said anything about illegal street racing. Get a grip man, chill out.

yes i have a few times. and for the hundredth time, i didnt say the tornado was the best thing you can buy, just one of the few things you can buy at autozone. not one time did i say it was the best thing to buy, i explained all that many times. no need to keep bringing it up, its done and over with. no need to keep goin on and on. we are all human.

thats right, i will race what i want, just like everyone races what they want. i have did pretty well with it acually. so yea chill. lets all just show some respect. i give it and would like it in return.

You can compare 0-60 and 1/4 mile times recorded by Professional Drivers for magazines articles at this website:

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

You can search for times that user input at www.dragtimes.com
Most users post mods to their cars or if it is stock as well as temp and altitude so you can draw comparisons.

ok thanks, i will check it out.

I heard somewhere that the 04 Comp G has a 0-60 of 6.5 seconds so I'm guessing GTP's 97-03 have similar.

yea i just read where the comp g does 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile at 14.9 and 97-03 gtp 0-60 in 6.5 and 1/4 mile at 14.8.

Thats the point, a 4,000 mileage engine and tranny has less wear and tear on it then a 100,000 mile car would.(if both are stock with no mods)

I have been on this site since 04 and have seen many dufises come and go but we need more new members to survive so just because he started out on the wrong foot I think it's time to cut him some slack and move on ,I know of others that started badly trying to impress everyone with subjects such as being dual charged (no names to protect the guilty)and many newbies ask lameo questions to start with but they learn to fit in or move on,lets not become another CGP we're here to help each other out not make fun of others ,I hope this little speach is taken in the spirit of good intensions .Chico(pops)

Bravo Chico Bravo.I wanted to say that for while but im a newbie myself so got to stay quiet and just read.

I lol because I know who :p lmao

Oh and Ima call you the tornado from now on... exciting at first but ends in disaster! - Walter

yea but mine doesnt have over 100,000 on it. so it should still be an interesting race. and your right pops, its about helpin and givein positive input to others not makein fun of them. if u haveing nothing nice to say then dont say anything at all. and who you callin that?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by proudgtp&gxpowner:
[QB] yea but mine doesnt have over 100,000 on it. so it should still be an interesting race.

Your not getting it. I never said your car had 100,000 miles on it, I was just comparing and contrasting on what the advantages of a lower mileage car have against a higher mileage car.

How many miles are on your cars Tornado?

This guy is more up tight then a girl weaning a pearl g string for the love of god dude its a f***ing joke... Ball busting ever heard of it? F*** dude relax.