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#138584 - 07/09/07 10:42 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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Naw... That was another guy's engine here in town. He ended up demodding back to stock because he had spent too much money fixing all the s... he kept breaking.

A real shame too... His car was running super low 12's and could've run 11's with a proper tune when he decided to back out of the racing scene.
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#138585 - 07/10/07 02:33 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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drummerboy, i think i popped my steering linkage loose because I took all 4 bolts out and just dropped the whole craddle.

What now?
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#138586 - 07/10/07 09:33 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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I put the answer in your other thread...
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#138587 - 07/10/07 11:55 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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Quote:
Originally posted by drummerboy1307:
loosen the two driver's side cradle bolts, and with a jack in place under the pass. side cradle, completely remove those two cradle bolts.
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#138588 - 07/17/07 06:02 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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Wow. Everything looked all shiney and clean Slick. I left all the oil on everything but gasket surfaces. Didn't want any lubrication issues.

Anyway, here's an update!

Driving around today, I found a little spot to drop the loud pedal on. I was rolling in first so I only floored it until it shifted.

Scan gauge reported 265hp at the top of 1st gear. Now, I think my scan gauge may be off because I only had 210hp before the swap and with all the mods, I should have had more than that I think.

Tomorrow I'm going to try and go to the track. I'll do a good amount of scanning and *hopefully* get a few good times too wink

Where do you guys have your MAP sensor? I left it on its bracket and kinda wedged it around the fuel rail.
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#138589 - 07/17/07 06:59 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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what track do you go to? GLD Im guessing. if so Ill be up there on friday. this kid at work invited me to go with him and his whole grand am club. so im going up there with a buddy of mine from the illinois grand prix club. im throwing my zzp powerlog and 3.2 s/c pulley on tonight. if you do go to GLD you should come out friday. would be nice to meet someone from this forum.
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#138590 - 07/17/07 08:52 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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I'll see about friday. And yes, Great Lakes Dragaway is the place. Soundls like a lot more fuin to be out there with fellow Pontiacs instead of 2 Hondas.

I'll see if anybody else can make it Friday too. Is it open race night? The website says Diesel drag night.
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#138591 - 07/17/07 09:13 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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How are your fuel trims looking? Seeing any KR?

Also how much timing is your car commanding?
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#138592 - 07/17/07 11:52 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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I haven't checked the timing advance yet, just been scanning for KR.

The most I've seen was like 0.6* at WOT around 4.5k rpms.

Not sure about the fuel trims either. Been scanning my O2 sensor too. I'm' not sure how to read it but I've seen it reach 950 and goes as low as like 70.

I'll scan those a couple times a the track when I go.

It'd be nice if I could get a tuner but I don't have a laptop so that's extra dough on top of an already expensive tuner.

But yeah, I found out today that I can go from 60mph to 80mph faster than I can comfortably brake from 80mph to 60mph.

Edit: I also want to add that when I idle for a minute, the ehaust starts to get really bad smelling. Tell-tale rotten egg smell. Do you think I killed my hf cat or I'm just running too rich?
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#138593 - 07/18/07 12:46 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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You need to be scanning your LTFTs. They are a much better indication of whether you are running rich or lean overall. Too lean = BOOM. The LTFT is long term fuel trim, and it's a calculated average of how much fuel the PCM is adding or taking away over time. Ideally you want them to be as close to zero as possible at WOT.

The stock O2 sensor is narrowband and isn't very accurate. However it can give you an idea of where you're at. You want your O2's to lock in between 920-940 at when in Power Enrichment (WOT). The rest of the time, they will be jumping around.
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#138594 - 07/18/07 12:49 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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I don't know if the scan gauges have LTFT readings...

I'll look again tomorrow after I get the car back. I'm dropping it off at the mechanic while I'm at work so he can change the oil and give the car a thourough check-up for leaks.

Oh, and I might be dropping the Y pipe in the exhaust and going back to a single muffler.

Less issues of lop-sidedness and brings back the sleeper look.
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#138595 - 07/18/07 01:13 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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yes friday they have fun-racing which is pretty much test and tune. i want to throw on my 3.2 pulley but i just ran into some issues and need to save some money. i gotta change out my whole snout because the main bearing is really bad. it sounds like my belts are slipping but when i take of the blower belt it sounds normal. i mean i can do it myself but as far as buying the S/C oil and Exhaust gaskets for the zzp powerlog im throwing on as well. not to mention i have to buy some gas for my welder to fix my exhaust leak and weld in my 3" DP.
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#138596 - 07/18/07 01:22 AM Re: Top-End swap...
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It should measure LTFT... it's a pretty vital engine parameter to monitor as it's how your PCM decides what % of fuel to add or remove at each kPa rating (measure of load on engine)
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#138597 - 07/18/07 06:07 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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I suggest getting your car tuned for daily driving first. Get your STFT and LTFT dialed in before you start your WOT runs. It's like anything else, you need to break them in first, even though your engine has been broken in, just not with all the newer parts.
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#138598 - 07/18/07 07:35 PM Re: Top-End swap...
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You don't need to break in the motor with a top swap... just when you rebuild a motor.

However it is a good idea to let the fuel trims settle and tune first idle, then light throttle fueling, and finally WOT fueling.
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