#14075 - 01/12/07 03:21 PM
Let's Play: Guess the Dyno Run!
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I am your host...me.
I have a 1999 Grand Prix GT w/ 130k miles on it. Well kept with fuel Injection cleaning every so often.
I am going to get a dyno run this weekend. My sig shows all the updates I've done. Nothing more except I did add Purple Ice to the coolant.
So now let's play, GUESS THE DYNO RUN!!
Guess close to the HP and TQ numbers. I will supply any more info as needed.
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#14076 - 01/12/07 04:44 PM
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#14077 - 01/12/07 04:57 PM
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183 WHP.
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#14078 - 01/12/07 06:09 PM
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I'll go 188 at the wheel, but I'm interested to see 'cause I just did the downpipe w/ubend delete and my next plans are your first 4 mods.
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#14079 - 01/12/07 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by TastyBake:
I am going to get a dyno run this weekend. Me too! I'm going at 8:30am, if the weather holds out. I'll say 185. I'm hoping for 230. Edit: Just rcv'd notice that the dyno day has been cancelled due to possible bad weather. 
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#14080 - 01/12/07 07:03 PM
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192whp
Just cause I'm guessing and it seems like a nice number.
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#14081 - 01/12/07 07:21 PM
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I'm going with 175 whp.
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#14082 - 01/12/07 07:31 PM
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#14083 - 01/12/07 08:25 PM
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195 to the wheels.
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#14086 - 01/12/07 09:32 PM
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i'd say 160-170 at the wheels
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#14087 - 01/12/07 10:11 PM
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3?
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#14088 - 01/12/07 11:31 PM
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I thought the gt's were 190 at the crank and the gtp's were 240??, did i get some wrong info??
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#14089 - 01/12/07 11:39 PM
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GTs are 200HP at the crank...his probably a bit more with his mods. I'll say 180 WHP.
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#14090 - 01/13/07 04:23 AM
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Stock L-36's ran between 195chp and 205chp ( bonneville's) and the only difference was the PCM and intake,so I would guess your whp at 172whp. stock is 160-165whp ,a couple of problems with guesstimating you did'nt say what type of dyno or elevation ,dyno's can be confusing for many as they tend to think that advertized hp increase for mods will be acurate,anyway good luck .Chico.
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#14091 - 01/13/07 10:53 AM
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#14092 - 01/13/07 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by snowrider900:
I thought the gt's were 190 at the crank and the gtp's were 240??, did i get some wrong info?? SE's are 190 HP.
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#14093 - 01/13/07 05:12 PM
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Nope, 175hp/195tq 
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#14094 - 01/13/07 05:24 PM
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#14095 - 01/13/07 06:46 PM
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So what were the results??? This dyno was being done this morning right? 
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#14096 - 01/15/07 06:39 PM
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Well, here are the results. Elevation was 1100 feet. It was a mobile dyno that was very similar to this one: http://www.mobiledyno.com/ They aren't that good. Its kind of depressing. 155.9 HP/ 179.8/TQ. HercMan: 180 framos242: 183 Drew521: 188 AustinGTP: 185 RooK: 192 drummerboy1307: 175 D: 181 pedal down: 195 zuulmusic: 178 Joshua Forman: 160-170 brown: 3 Chico: 160 ordonez1307: 168 Chico and Forman are the closest. Since Chico gave a specific figure, Chico will get the reward first. Therefore, Chico: YOU DA MAN!!  Forman: YOU DA MAN!!
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#14097 - 01/15/07 06:58 PM
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So I am less than stock. According to my gauge, the KR was around 3.5-4 at the higher levels. I am running a lean on the lower end. Just to think, all that $$$ (mods + using 93 octane all the time) and I am lower than stock. Possible causes are the intense PCM and the exhaust. Even if I change the PCM to a digital horsepower one, it probably won't help much. That plus getting a d/p may get me back to stock. wow. just wow. 
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#14098 - 01/15/07 08:32 PM
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Lower then stock, that sucks. Is everything ok with your car, engine wise? It just seems it should be alittle more then stock not less.
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#14100 - 01/15/07 10:47 PM
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That doesn't make sense? I guess they always say to expect low numbers but I'm sure you weren't expecting that low... bummer man. Good luck getting to the bottom of that KR.
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#14101 - 01/16/07 12:03 AM
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130k miles on it.
From what I'm told, GTs come with KR by design + high compression. As far as I know, everything with the engine is fine.
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#14102 - 01/16/07 12:46 AM
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What kind of dyno was used ? and was the operator experienced? Dyno's can often be confusing and misleading and unless the operator uses the correct formula for temp. and elevation corrections your results will be off,Abs=RelHg-(elevation/1000) and a correction factor of CF=1.18x(29.22/Bdo)xTo+460/537)-0.18 where TO is ambiant air temp. in f and Bdo is dry ambiant absalute barometric pressure,Is that confusing enough for you.Chico.
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#14103 - 01/16/07 03:10 PM
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Just checked. It was a Mobile DynoJet 248. It took into account the elevation, ambient temperature and barometric pressure. The shop seemed to be pretty experienced and they had several cars they were working on.
It was also ran in 2nd gear. They tried 3rd but it didn't go right. Could 2nd gear be the reason for low numbers?
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#14104 - 01/17/07 07:41 AM
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Running in second gar should'nt be a problem but there is definately somthing wrong ,your tq qnd hp curves seem to be normal right up to peek which is 4400-4700 ,did you keep your stock pcm? and when you ordered your Intense PCM did you get the standard PCM with stock timing? as far as your Knock ratio a DP and possibly rockers would take care of this problem,this is why I suggest if you plan on dyno'ing your car get a stock baseline before you start modding .Chico.
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#14105 - 01/17/07 10:22 PM
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Hey don't feel too bad, I got to searching and a member on here (Richard Candelario) dyno'ed his I believe stock GT, and the numbers he got were 150 whp/223 wtq. So your torque is way off, and the HP seems a little low, but pretty close to right. CAI ~ 5-10chp, 3-6whp HVTB ~ 10chp, 5whp Ubend ~ 5chp, 2whp So assuming stock dyno's at 150 whp, you theoretically should be at 163ish whp. Perhaps the KR is what is hurting your whp readings. Just a theory!
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#14106 - 01/18/07 10:37 AM
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Yeppers, that is a stock GT. Sorta. All I did to the car so far is put a K&N air filter into the stock airbox. After my dyno I've put a Goodyear Gatorback on, mounted Goodyear ResponsEdge, installed slotted rotors and Hawk high-pro pads, and rplcd tie rods. I'd have to check my log book, but my car weighs 3500 lbs with my wife (150), my daughter (25), and myself (150). So, with a half tank, my car weighs roughly 3200 lbs. My elevation is 4300' ASL. All other compensations were taking into consideration. Any questions, please ask or refer to the post Drummerboy was talking about: Dyno Pull.
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#14107 - 01/18/07 02:04 PM
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You are correct with the curve being bad after 4k RPM. The stock PCM was re-programmed on-site. The timing was adjusted. Unfortunately, I cannot recall by how much. I can find out certain timing per idle points? Could a clogged exhaust be the culprit? Originally, I was thinking "no" just because it runs smooth from idle to WOT. Only very lite sputtering that my RPM needle can't feel but I can. My exhaust has been rattling like crazy on the highway and over bumps. Well, at least I think it is the exhaust. Since I don't have a baseline, guess the choices are: -Re-program PCM. -rockers. -exhaust. Since I am the most underpowered GT here but with fast looking exterior stuff (hood, reflecting labels), mods that don't do anything, does that mean my car is rice? 
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#14108 - 01/18/07 02:15 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by TastyBake:
You are correct with the curve being bad after 4k RPM. The stock PCM was re-programmed on-site. The timing was adjusted. Unfortunately, I cannot recall by how much. I can find out certain timing per idle points?
Could a clogged exhaust be the culprit? Originally, I was thinking "no" just because it runs smooth from idle to WOT. Only very lite sputtering that my RPM needle can't feel but I can. My exhaust has been rattling like crazy on the highway and over bumps. Well, at least I think it is the exhaust.
Since I don't have a baseline, guess the choices are:
-Re-program PCM.
-rockers.
-exhaust.
Since I am the most underpowered GT here but with fast looking exterior stuff (hood, reflecting labels), mods that don't do anything, does that mean my car is rice? 
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#14109 - 01/18/07 08:44 PM
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Not a chance you are rice. Because you don't have an unpainted body kit, you don't have a fart cannon, and you would still smoke any Honda.
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#14110 - 08/18/07 12:22 PM
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Here are my new results on the same dyno but with warmer air since the last one was in January. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/tastycakemix/TPics/?action=view¤t=DynoGenV.jpg Guess I'm running a "little" rich.
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#14111 - 08/18/07 02:28 PM
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#14112 - 08/18/07 02:30 PM
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273 torque on a GT... nice! 
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#14113 - 08/18/07 05:05 PM
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I think 175whp & 195wtq.Chico(pops)
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#14114 - 08/18/07 05:11 PM
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The dyno shows both the old one from the guessing game with the old engine.
The higher numbers are with the GenV and mods as listed.
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#14115 - 08/18/07 10:36 PM
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Nice, 273 ft lbs and 197 whp
That's pretty average for a stock L32
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#14116 - 08/19/07 01:45 PM
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Stock is 260 hp/ 280 tq.
With 20% conversion, my car is 236.4 hp and 327.6 tq at the crank. With the mods I have, I'm glad its something higher. Hp loss is eh. I'm just happy with the tq numbers.
When I get the richness fixed, that my adjust the numbers. Maybe tq will lower and hp will increase. Dunno.
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