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#153939 - 07/20/04 03:36 AM Re: Options
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Again i am in total agreement with you adam..................................
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#153940 - 07/21/04 11:55 PM Re: Options
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Well said. I kinda wish Pontiac would've caught on to the "cleaner styling" thing years ago. Look at the new V8 Bonneville, and how they rounded off the edges, and took out some of the lines and ridges. That's one of the best looking damn sedans out on the market right now, period. They finally even cleaned up the Grand Am's a little too, all they had to do was finally remove the "ribs" or lines on the lower sides of the doors for 2003, and the car instantly takes on a new, handsome, more mature look. Well, it only took them 10 or 15 years to catch on to what everyone was saying, not bad I guess... smile
Everyone who? The critics? The German/Jap auto makers. The Grand Am is/was Pontiac's best selling car. Because it was cheap? why not buy the Sunfire or Cav or Neon for that matter?

Holy Crap people read to dang much of the critics and not enough from the heart! That is why I love SOUTH PARK.... most of you do not "Get it"
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#153941 - 07/22/04 01:06 PM Re: Options
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Originally posted by Adam S.:
[b] Well said. I kinda wish Pontiac would've caught on to the "cleaner styling" thing years ago. Look at the new V8 Bonneville, and how they rounded off the edges, and took out some of the lines and ridges. That's one of the best looking damn sedans out on the market right now, period. They finally even cleaned up the Grand Am's a little too, all they had to do was finally remove the "ribs" or lines on the lower sides of the doors for 2003, and the car instantly takes on a new, handsome, more mature look. Well, it only took them 10 or 15 years to catch on to what everyone was saying, not bad I guess... smile
Everyone who? The critics? The German/Jap auto makers. The Grand Am is/was Pontiac's best selling car. Because it was cheap? why not buy the Sunfire or Cav or Neon for that matter?

Holy Crap people read to dang much of the critics and not enough from the heart! That is why I love SOUTH PARK.... most of you do not "Get it" [/b]
I think the new Bonnie GXP is awesome. It looks great, and Id love to have one, but at $40k loaded its not going to roll out the door too fast. Local dealer had one and it sold but he hasnt gotten anymore.

Id say the grand am outsells the sunfire because it has a LOT more room for not all that much more money. The GP is more money still but doesnt offer as much an increase for the money over the grand am as the Grand Am does over the sunfire. IMO anyway.
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#153942 - 07/27/04 04:19 PM Re: Options
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Just because a car sells well doesn't mean it doesn't need styling improvements. For years, Pontiac got criticized for it's "overstyling" on its models. While I don't read too many car magazines any longer, I was always in agreement with what was constantly being said regarding their styling.

I tend not to take what critics say all that seriously most of the time. But, when you starting seeing the same things over and over, well there's probably something to it.
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#153943 - 07/31/04 12:15 AM Re: Options
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Nope... when you see something enough you just start believing it..

STEP AWAY FROM CAR&DRIVER...ROAD&TRACK....
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#153944 - 07/31/04 11:37 AM Re: Options
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Nope... when you see something enough you just start believing it..

STEP AWAY FROM CAR&DRIVER...ROAD&TRACK....
I love my car and driver-----But I dont usually take to much to heart on it unless they talk good about a car. Remember the Cannonball run??? They used a GTO!!!!
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#153945 - 07/31/04 09:49 PM Re: Options
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Our GTO at work is getting so many lookers we put it in the showroom so the birds dont poop on it anymore lol lol lol
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#153946 - 08/02/04 06:53 PM Re: Options
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I'm not really just talking about the regular "consumer" magazines. More factual and worthwhile publications like Ward's AutoWorld, etc., which are published mainly for people in the quality industry and the automotive manufacturing industry itself. They're a little more knowlegeable that writing an article on "which car's glove compartment had more cubic centimeters of storage space", etc, etc.

I got sick of the regular magazines years ago...
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#153947 - 08/02/04 09:23 PM Re: Options
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well.... i stepped in smile now i step out blush but i no i won`t no cause i dont understand what is the oint of his whole forum... square .C YA DONT WANNA B YA!!!
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#153948 - 08/03/04 12:21 AM Re: Options
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Say what?
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#153949 - 08/17/04 10:48 PM Re: Options
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well.... i stepped in smile now i step out blush but i no i won`t no cause i dont understand what is the oint of his whole forum... square .C YA DONT WANNA B YA!!!
Medicinal Herbs? You need to layoff those!!
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#153950 - 08/18/04 08:24 AM Re: Options
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I was at a car show and spoke with the owner of a GTO who said next year they are planning a lot of mods to the body style including a new hood with ram air scoops?

I hope in the future they will make the GTO look more sporty and like others have said provide features that usually are standard when you spend that much $$
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#153951 - 08/19/04 09:39 AM Re: Options
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the GTO for 05 options:

two new colors:cyclone gray metallic and midight blue metallic

transmission: 6-speed optional

hood scoop: delete

sport apperance pkg: autocross (3 colors ) only.

tires: P235/40ZR18,blackwall

wheels:18" x 8", 5-spoke aluminum

hammer time
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#153952 - 09/01/04 12:44 PM Re: Options
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Very well said why2kmax, I never really thought of it that way. I just hope youre right. I love the front end of the GTO, I just happen to be a sucker for exaust, and what they put on it just isnt doin it for me. I think once that gets fixed, i.e. make it more similar to the smokin hot GXP, the car will take on much more of a muscle car image and thus sell much better. But thats just my opinion.

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#153953 - 09/01/04 06:11 PM Re: Options
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Very well said why2kmax, I never really thought of it that way. I just hope youre right. I love the front end of the GTO, I just happen to be a sucker for exaust, and what they put on it just isnt doin it for me. I think once that gets fixed, i.e. make it more similar to the smokin hot GXP, the car will take on much more of a muscle car image and thus sell much better. But thats just my opinion.

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Ive said before that I liked the new GTO, and I liked the Fbody too, owned 3 of em.
Individualy Id pick the GTO over the TA.

BUT I saw an 02 Ram Air TA in dark blue parked next to a black 04 GTO on the pontiac lot the other day. Ive never seen the two cars parked side by side.

I have to admit, the GTO styling sort of paled in that light. THe TA looked like a T-rex about to kick your ass. The GTO looked like a golden Retreiver who wanted to be petted. LOL Now I have a better idea of what Jizz was bitching about.

I think Id still take a GTO because of the room and interior, but it sure wont scare anyone at a stoplight.
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