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#15637 - 09/30/07 01:38 AM LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
zuulmusic Offline
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Just thought I'd post to say I installed the wideband kit today.
I opted to go ahead and replace the front O2 with the wideband (instead of the rear O2 like other cat-less people) for a few reasons:
1. Wire length
2. Positioning of rear bung exactly what Innovate recommends NOT to use (between 3-9 o'clock).
3. I liked the idea of using simulated narrowband output.
So basically the LC-1 controller box has a wideband output (0-5V linear) and a simulated narrowband output (0-1V sharp curve at 14.7 AFR).
There were a few tricks to install it, so if anyone plans on doing it, I can let you in on the easy way. It wasn't bad at all, though.

So far, I'm noticing the simulated narrowband signal jumps a little more extreme than the stock setup. Instead of jumping around 200-900mV, I see it jumping from 50-1100mV. It probably has the same effect, since the PCM just averages the high/low pulses anyway, but my fuel trims are a little more negative now. I haven't interfaced the wideband with the Power Tuner yet, just on its own into the laptop serial port. Thats another day.
So the real test is driving downtown Monday... I'm hoping my fuel economy will improve! It looks like it may.

Wideband results? My tune is actually spot-on for the most part. 11.5 AFR at WOT usually; not bad. A periodic spike of 10.x in some situations. I'm gunna try and lean it out a tad once fuel trims settle down.
I got to waste a Plymouth Sundance (2.5L l4, DOHC, turbo) quite easily during the test drive. I used to drive one of those but not turbo'd.

I haven't been using it for more than 30 minutes or so, but overall I'm really glad I picked up this wideband.

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#15638 - 09/30/07 02:34 AM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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I would really like to order one of these someday. so you're pleased, so far?
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#15639 - 09/30/07 10:04 AM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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i thought everyone put it in the front 02 spot?
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#15640 - 09/30/07 10:56 AM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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not to be stuped ... but how does all of this work ??
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#15641 - 09/30/07 12:17 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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Originally posted by 4drgt:
not to be stuped ... but how does all of this work ??
Don't feel stupid, I'm a little vague on wideband also, and I'd like to know as well.

My O2 sensor has never liked my downpipe, no matter what brand was in it, so this is intriguing.
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#15642 - 09/30/07 01:07 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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Here's a link: LC-1 Wideband Controller And videos: Tuner Resources
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#15643 - 09/30/07 06:35 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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It comes with a Bosch, though.
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#15644 - 10/02/07 03:48 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
drummerboy1307 Offline
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it's a wideband Bosch sensor though, so by default it's gonna be a thousand times better than the Bosch narrowband sensors
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#15645 - 10/02/07 09:16 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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Whatever Drew, I was just making a fuss! Damn you. LOL
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#15646 - 10/03/07 03:20 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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lol, I was just busting your chops. I'm glad you didn't take me seriously.
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#15647 - 10/03/07 03:46 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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I've been wanting one of those suckers for a long time now. Just keep spending my money in other places. eek crazy


Be real nice for tuning purposes. Is that Narrowband O2 Simulator still working nicely for ya? That was the one thing I wasn't sure about any of them, but seeing as it's more sensitive over the entire range, I'm thinking now that it would definately be better for that sort of thing.
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#15648 - 10/03/07 08:27 PM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
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You some more on a write up for the install?
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#15649 - 10/06/07 01:56 AM Re: LC-1 wideband O2 installed.
zuulmusic Offline
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Yeah I'll post some full information that hopefully will come in useful to others in the future. But over the weekend when I have some more time...
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