I know this is old, but after seeing Hillary on the news giving her speech, I just had to put this back out there.

I'm sorry, but if Obama-bin laden wins this election, I will shoot myself. Though McCain certainly isn't my first choice, he's much better than that moron.

ann coulter.... i cringe when i see her face or hear her name.

but i have to say that those are some ugly dems

I'm not biased toward a particular party. Both are too hypocritical and would swear on a stack of bibles or on a pile of flower seeds that the other party is evil. I'd rather not disallow facts and sway my opinions to favor a party's goals. This is even when I don't like the Regardless if I like the complete (keyword) facts or not. But I understand politics is like this as it deals with the paradox of trying to please everyone even though people may don't agree with each other nor want to in some cases.

The poster's cute in all but I've seen a follow up one done for dems. Both posters reminded me of political parties. Show our pretty, hide the ugly while showing their ugly and not their pretty. Similar to dealing with pros/cons.

I'm going to vote for McCain. Lesser of two evils. At least he's a moderate, not really Republican or Democrat. Obama is a socialist.

They both suck the big one. End of thread.

Agreed.

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X4 ...also, he is from AZ

I couldn't believe the fact that Obama took the US flag off the tail of his plane while repainting it. I mean, this guy is running for President of the United States of America!

Then there's the fact that putting his hand over his heart to honor the country is unimportant.
(Near the bottom, someone said about him "sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't."

And of course, he doesn't know how many states we have in this country. That's just

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See this is the issue. There are probably millions like myself, who don't car for the politic subject.
Can some of you give me a short synopsis on why Obama is so unliked, and don't give me articles.
Cause all I've seen on tv is a well spoken man that speaks what people want to hear (I know he won't accomplish most of it, it's impossible to please everyone).
My issue is that those, like myself, who don't follow much basically get tricked into swaying one way just by seeing a speech here and there.

I think at my age I am increasingly disturbed at the level of ugly name calling that seems to arise with each Presidential election. Whatever happened to the mutual respect for the other side and the ability to reason with one another?

I seem to remember reading that in scripture “come let us reason one with another”

Democrats and Republicans have always had basic differences in ideas about how government should be run. Those differences should not result in the degrading level that it has reached in present times. I personally fault all of the so called “intelligent” talk show people in the media who are full of all sorts of opinion but very little answers on how things can be handled in the real world. If they are so very smart then they should apply for the job themselves.

I have met many members of the military who may or may not approve of the mission they are sent on or who sits in the Oval Office but they support the government just the same.

Socialism - a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Granted the above definition is only one of three found in the Webster’s online dictionary, but to accuse a Presidential candidate of being socialist is not clearly defined. If anyone has been guilty of unequal distribution of goods and pay it has been those who have benefited wildly from the GOP being in power for the past two terms. The insurance, *****aceutical and oil industries have had record years and have done so at the expense of working people.
I have been a proud union worker for over thirty years of my life and I was a Democrat even before that…or as my father put it so eloquently; “A working man that votes Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders”

Freedom of choice and freedom of speech is what allows each of us to make up our own minds based on our personal experience and that is the very heart of this country.
To call someone a socialist is to almost imply that they are a communist. No one called FDR a communist when he employed more people in government paid jobs than anyone thought possible but it pulled this country out of a major depression and put people back to work.
The republican edict of “let the wealthy keep their money and they will take care of the rest” is theory that history has proven wrong more than once…and it always will because greed is one of the major failings of mankind itself.

I have heard more than one republican say “If people would just work hard they would be wealthy too”…I challenge ANYONE to tell me that I haven’t worked hard for my entire adult life. I haven’t done so bad but I am a far cry from wealthy. My mother busted her backsides for many years and now struggles on a fixed income. In my book her time is every bit as valuable as any so called professional. She has no desire to live in wallowing wealth but she should never have to choose between medical co-payments and the cost of food.
If anyone thinks that issues like that are going to be solved by letting insurance companies and doctors and drug makers hold the reigns then they are sadly mistaken. Both my son and my daughter work every week without health care. They aren’t welfare bums like so many people say are the cause of all the ills. They work hard every week and are trying to make a living. If one of them got hurt off of their jobs they would lose everything. Working hard is one thing, your livelihood hanging in the balance is quite another.

I see no reason why wealthy people should qualify for greater tax breaks just because they make more. I pay plenty more taxes when I work overtime but I still get the greater share so whets not fair about that? If the wealthy think they have such a hard rap here then they should check out how much money they would keep in other countries…without any choice of their own…or any election to change it.

Its time the playing field got leveled or at least tilted the other way a bit.

I think the best way for someone who is undecided is to take a short amount of your time and watch the debates. Even if you dont care for politics as a whole (and I have to admit it isnt my favorite subject) but it is a crucial one. Your right to vote is a precious one and is the largest example of the freedom we enjoy in this country. Believe me it IS worth your time.

At the root of all of this is the major difference in ideaology. Republicans believe in smaller government (less taxes= less government spending) referring more responsibility to local and state matters. They believe in letting the free market system work it self out.

Democrats on the other hand believe that government has to take up where things fall through the holes in the system. The wealthy never like a Democrat because it means their tax level usually goes up. I guess I have always been befuddled at how many think that government should take care of a lot of things without an income source...and the ones with the most money always seem to be the ones who get the most breaks, while working class shoulder much of the burden.

Both parties carry their share of extremists that forever pound on their hot bed issues. The Republicans champion pro-life (against abortion) and support 2nd Amendment rights (gun laws)

Democrats on the other hand support pro-choice (womans right to choose for abortion) and a faction of gay rights as well as gun control.

However its been my experience that the people clamoring about the issues do not represent the bulk of the country. Most people (me included) believe that there is a middle ground that these problems can be settled on...there will always be those who disagree.

Back to your orginal question...many distaste Obama on race alone, many others oppose him due to his stance on liberal issues such as gays in the military (basically getting rid of "dont ask, dont tell")...Many other believe his ideas of bringing healthcare to all Americans is socialized medicine. I personally dont see how opeing an existing program that already services government officals to the public is such a bad thing. If nothing else the HMOs need competition.

These are just couple of items but the real test of agree or disagree is based in your personal opinions...only you can listen to each of these men and decide if they share your ideals. That is the freedom the founding fathers wanted...it is the freedom our military has fought to preserve...your right, your freedom to worship as you choose, speak your mind and pursue your dreams...your right to vote...and God bless America for that

I agree with t-bat. Obama is a great speaker, but there are a number of stances he chooses that i disagree with. That being said, I am waiting until the debates to make my final decision, but mccain has my vote, and his choice for VP only swayed my vote closer.

I believe that Sarah Palin brings as much baggage as she does advantage to the GOP ticket. Conservatives will like that she is pro-life and the fact that she has passed state legislation giving gays rights to civil unions (which allows them to share benefits) but bans marriage. She has made some savvy moves to win the elections she has been involved in so far, but she is about to step onto a much larger stage.

The GOP will now be hard pressed to sell McCain's experience over Obamas while his own running mate has even less. I dont believe her views on the enviroment are going to play well on the national stage either.

My largest concern with her is being a heartbeat away from the big chair and little to no experience on foreign policy. If McCain were to fall to severe illness or (God forbid) even worse she would have a very hard trial-by-fire. While McCain does appear to be very spry for his age, there is no doubt that the pressure of the Oval Office is second to none...just check out the before and after pictures of almost any previous President.

Many have made the similar issue about Obama and his experience, but the same was said of both Clinton as well as Kennedy years ago and both of those men did this country a lot of good.
To be a graduate of Columbia Univ (political science and foreign policies) and then a magna cum laude Harvard Law graduate, while being president of the Harvard Law review for three of his four years there...his years of public service to the City of Chicago as well as teaching Constitutional Law at University of Chicago for ten years, then his two years of state house work and on to two years in the US Senate...I think give Obama a pretty fair base of knowledge and experience to go forward on.

This country has grown on change it entire life...this country was born on the fact that we wanted things different than England would allow. Over the years we have scowled at many who came to these shores. We broke treaty after treaty with the Native Indians, we persecuted the Irish and the Italians when they came...we brought the Chinese to build railroads as well as the Africans
to work plantations. we have seen women gain the right to vote and the list goes on.

The inscription on the Statue of Liberty says to the world that this is the land of promise...and we have made that work be cause freedom allows us to be a plural society...the changes have never been easy ones but each one has made us stronger as a nation. 9/11 proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that this country can throw down its differences of race,religion or sex and drive toward a common goal...it showcased how both human and humane we truly can be.

Our Government needs to serve the needs of its people and not it contributor list. It needs to honor those who serve it with the best it has to offer and it needs to make certain our elderly and afflicted recieve the care they deserve after so many years of hard work. The wealthy have already proven that these are not their priorities or it would have been solved long ago before soaring profits ever took place.

People need to be treated like people, not numbers on page. I'm not saying Obama will make all this happen because change in this country is like trying to turn an aircraft carrier. You dont spin it on a dime...but I do think he is pointing in that direction and I dont think bolstering the middle class is socialism...I think its putting your money on the winning team. When the middle class does well, the economy and the country as whole do well. I'm sure the wealthy dont agree with that but a few of them dont get new yachts in favor of more people getting health care or tax deductible college tuition then I'll sleep just fine.

Sweet write, thanks for the read!
Whom ever it is, they better make something change for the better.