An 09 Civic Si runs about a 15 sec 1/4 mile, give or take. How does that beat a Mustang GT? That doesn't even beat my GTP. If you want to talk power to weight, the Civic Si has about 14-15 lbs per hp, while the Mustang GT has 11.

I'm still not sure where you're going with this. One of the guys I work with has either an 08 or 09 Civic Si w/ VTEC, 6-speed MT, and can't quite keep up with my GTP.

*EDIT* I'm assuming by Si you meant Civic Si, obviously.

A stock for stock match an 08 Si will beat if not tie an 08 stang GT... usually. Driver dependant but they are both 14's cars.

My power to weight ratio was Not about the newer civcs I was talking EG hatchs / coupes 2.2kish after you pull a few things vs a frakin camaro 4k+

What mods on your car? I'm about to say the civic needs a driver mod lol

The Mustang GT is not a 14-sec car. Try upper-13s or maybe 14 flat. About a second faster than the Si.

0-60? 4.9 sec for the Stang, with the Si running mid 6's.

Again, I'm not seeing how the Si is faster.

I don't think the "domestic mindset" is the close minded one here...

pretty much any car can be made fast depending on how much $$$$ you want to dump into it.

For my money, I'd rather start with a v8 t/a or something like that, MUCH better sound and cheaper to make fast, but to each his own.

I've seen some really fast civics, but usually they've all had a ton of money dumped into them...but mostly i see body kits, spoilers, fart cannon's, and a hai on 16 - 17 sec cars of 17 year olds thinking they can roll over a cobra.

the newer SI's are pretty quick, but it's just not my thing, like the muscle car look and sound so much better

Im pretty sure this thread blows.

GT > Si

V8 > a bottle of mountain dew and DOHC VTEC w/o boost.

I just laid down the domestic mindset law lawlzzz

This started as just a general thing I didn't mean specifically without boost I was just saying many many 4 cyl out there are much faster then V8's but the redneck point of view is still out there.

but if you notice the FASTEST CARS EVER are V8's nuff said

Wow the ignorance in this thread is unbelievable.

The idea that V8's will beat 4 cylinders is not a redneck opinion but a very common one. Most people have no reason to believe that a V8 can't smoke a car with half the number of cylinders. Now I know that 4 cylinders can be just as fast, but that's only with a considerable amount of work done.

Your Mustang/Civic argument is ridiculous as well. In no way will a stock Si ever outrun a stock Mustang GT. They are separated in the 1/4 by over a second like Ace said, I don't care about power to weight or driver mod etc. the fact is the Si cannot keep up with the Mustang's HP or torque.

for American production cars... ultimate Aero SSC

for drag racing....336.15 mph and the ET record of 4.437

^ i want to see a 4 cyl turbo beat either one, even with as much money as they have in those cars,.... wont happen for a long time..

Ok see driver is a very important mod. Considering I shouldn't beat half the cars I do because they make more power then me it comes down to point that it is driver related.

The civic vs stang thing was more saying that stock for stock I have seen Si's walk stangs. I'm not saying the stang shouldn't win. Oh and Stock stangs run anywhere from 13.8 - 14.6 I don't consider that a 13sec car. Civic's run from 14.6 to 15.4.

And yes it is a very much redneck mentality that you have to have a bigger engine to be faster and that you have to have an American made car to make power. That is pure ignorance.

I'm not talking about the newer age v8 ppl I'm talking about all those big block small block people that think a frakin 5.slow stang with a winsor block can win against anything. Same with the big block 540ci guys that think oh I have a big folger can piston engine I am unbeatable ...WRONG. And when they throw oh its a piece of sh*t 4 cyl, 6 cyl and then the piece of sh*t 4 cyl, 6cyl walks them up and down the roads they get all d*ck in there a$$ about it.

build them both and the V8 will either create way more power OR outlast it.

and i've seen plenty of "built" motors that blow because of improper tuning. 4, 6, 8, and rotaries.

IN GENERAL, "modded" 4cyl are not tuned or built properly. so IN GENERAL, V8's are going to rape them in power and/or reliability.

apples to oranges.

there is a reason why they say ... there is no replacement for displacement

schwing!

I dont see the reason for this whole thread/argument. The ONLY way to see what car is faster than what is to race em.

Now that being said, twice the cylinders should mean more power and torque and probably a better run. However, in order to take into account all the other factors, you would still need to run em.

you had to know most guys on here would side with the v8 point of view, were you looking to start an argument? and I don't think it's redneck to believe its better to have more cylinders (and 8's sound WAY better than 4's)

stock vs. stock most v8's will beat 4's, and modding is just how much work you want to do and most 8's need less work 4's to get a specific spot. Yes a few 4's are fast but what point are you trying to get across on a grand prix website where a lot of guys are also big muscle car/v8 guys? It's not redneck, it's their opinion and choice.

I think I'm pretty open-minded, at least much more than I have been in the past, and I respect your opinion. But if you gave me the choice, dollar for dollar, I would pick 8 over 4 any day of the week and twice on sunday