Well, sad to say we have her up for sale, we plan to get a Scion Xd as the wife likes them and 37 mpg sounds good! Can't afford both vehicles.

Only 58,700 miles on my 4 door, "Redfire Metallic" paint with Charcoal interior, has brand new 80,000 mile Cooper CS4 touring tires, new front wheel bearings and brake pads. Car is fully loaded, everything works. Runs great, low miles - all highway. All maintenance done regularly, synthetic oil, stored in a temperature controlled garage every night. $7900 OBO, Email me at beatcars@hotmail.com for Pictures.

Options: Air Conditioning, Factory Alarm System, Alloy Wheels, Bucket Seats, Cloth Upholstery, Compact Disc, Cruise Control, Cup Holders, Daytime Running Lights, Driver Air Bag, Dual Climate Control, Front Wheel Drive, Keyless Entry, Passenger Air Bag, Power Brakes,Power Drivers Seat, Power Locks,Power Mirrors, Power Moon Roof, Power Seats, Power Steering, Power Windows, Rear Defrost, Remote Trunk Lid, Tilt Wheel. --- yer basics for a GT, BUT this car was ordered without Antilock brakes so if you hate antilocks this is the one for ya!

dont get a toyota...ewwwww my new malibu is getting 38mpg.. get a BU!!! or even a cobalt


please no imports

i thought ABS was required...

Thats exactly what I thought...

Nope, it was an option in 2003, and still is on some low end cars. 2004 Grand Prix and up have standard ABS.

my import has treated me so much better than this american thing. Good luck with the sale

Be careful when you say import or domestic. Some Hondas, Toyotas and Subarus are more made in USA than Ford and GM. Saturn I believe is the most domestic car made. The Ford Expedition is teh most "domestic" vehicle out there. This chart list most cars\trucks, where they are made and what % is american. This will surprise you. And don't forget, Chrysler\Dodge are owned dy Daimler so the profits go to Germany.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-21-car-content-chart_N.htm

Um try again. Chrysler/Dodge is owned by Cerebus.

Here is the USA Today article where I got my info, sorry if I was incorrect.

"More than three-quarters of the parts in Dodge's new Nitro SUV, which is assembled in Toledo, Ohio, are American or Canadian. But the profits go to Germany because Dodge is part of DaimlerChrysler. "

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-03-22-american-usat_N.htm

Was true at the time, just out of date.

"On August 3, 2007, DaimlerChysler completed the sale of Chrysler Group to Cerberus Capital Management"

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimlerchrysler

Another gp gone to a import busness.

Please stop the madness people.


Just playing hope everything works out for the best.

ill NEVER BUY a import i hate em i hate em

Ya, if it makes you feel better My other Cars are A GMC Sonoma, a Pontiac Fiero, and a 72 Buick Skylark, American rocks. My wife really likes the Xd.

OK we forgive you... maybe.

Anyway, on the original topic, I don't see whats wrong with a GT that can get 32-35mpg highway on 87 octane. Thats what I used to get before supercharging.

Is the fuel savings going to outweigh the monthly payment?

I swear the auto industry is making a killing right now because people would rather pay an extra $100 a month on a car payment then $80 a month extra on fuel. Now if people are doing it for enviro reasons etc and not just cause the cost at the pump that's different.

the XD's mpg is rated

manual 27-33 (city-highway
auto 26-32

Is the performance and comfort of the GT worth giving up for that? Or is it just that she want's a new car?

correct me if im wrong but shouldnt the GT be getting similar numbers?

i get 25city avg and 33highway avg

so the extra money and the pain of dropping my just as good if not better than an import american car would NEVER outweigh or counteract or even out the extra bit of money on the monthly payment

Your right herc. Alot of people don't understand that for some reason

is it really worth buying a scion....it wont be a cool as a gp.....nor fast...not as good looking.....i get looks when i drive my car....you wont get that in a scion...keep it dangit lol

I've never gotten over 30mpg on the T-Bat but even at that mileage I still think its pretty darn good for a car with this much room, comfort and luggage space...not even counting the "fun to drive" factor...and oh yeah, pretty strong performance to boot.

Regardless of the ratings, my work commute is freeway going 75mph - for an hour - one way, at 75 mph the Grand Prix gets 26-27mpg. I have never heard of one getting more than 30, but anyway it is more or less my specific circumstances being a long freeway drive that requires a car that gets exceptional mpg at high speed.
The Scion Xd pulls 37 on the freeway, this based on user reviews. The EPA recently changed the ratings of new cars, thus the books say the Xd averages 33, it actually doesn't. The best an Xd can do is 42mpg but I wont see that at my speeds. Part of the decision has to do with when to sell, since the miles are still low on the GP we decided now is the time. We estimate a savings of $150 per month in gas at current prices, accounting for car payments, which the scion is $20 more per month, though the loan is stretched longer.
Overall its the wifey's decision, her money on this one and she's the primary driver of it. I was just looking for something I didn't hate. I did hate the older Scions, but this one aint so bad.

still scions are ugly....they look like those honda ricers

sounds like a personal opinion. Let the man get what he wants.

A new car with a warranty > an aging pontiac

No one says you have to drive 75. And don't say you have to. Just sit in the slow lane and enjoy the ride as people go around you and smile knowing that your doing your part to save gas while they waste the precious fluid and then complain. My most efficient speed is at 67 and can knock down 34mpg.

you guys ever notice people don't say they're moving closer to work or finding work closer to them. Or moving to an area that has user friendly mass transit or within bicycle/walking distance to save money at the pump?

Yah, I am with Herc.
My last trip to Tampa, 150 miles one way. I took her easy. Cruise control the whole way, knocking down 28.5 mpg at 73 mph. I watched people fly past me, and those that I past many times cause they can't keep a steady pedal. I hope all those people aren't complaining about high gas prices!

i have the same problems with my mpg, i only get around 19 mpg and maybe 23mgp if i go very easy on the petal. i have thought about a scion i want a tc i like the styling, they get great gas milage and they are very cheep cars plus they come with a warrany which would be nice since i am having so SO many problems with my gp

tC is pretty cute, they can get pricey with all the available options. Lots of customizability from the factory/dealer.

x1000!

I want to hear herc's opinion on foreign/domestic oil situation now.

Actually, they are losing money because sales are going down on their high profit models (suvs, trucks, luxury cars). They don't get much profit off the small cars. Also many folks can't save money to buy a car due to the high gas prices. Also, a lot of folks credits are jacked up on folks who went into foreclosure.
Auto Sales 15 year low

Other countries have seen a slight increase like India and Thailand.
Thai auto sales rise 6.9 percent

It's not just $100 a month vs %80 a month. He's getting a newer car in the process. Nothing wrong with getting a newer car now vs later. He'd eventually would have to do it. Keeping the 2003 GT is good in the short run.

The only way you know you're buying a car where the profits will go to America is to look at the sticker. It shows the % of where the parts come from and % of where it was made. Due to automotive partnerships that have been going on for decades, Dodge or GM doesn't always equal 100% America made.

Scions are ok. Huge headroom and I like the controls. Its more powerful than it was before. The xB is still the better bargain in comparison to the xD. That weird one rear view bulb at the bottom makes me want to not buy it though. I can get used to it but something is forcing me not to.

Looks like a pimple on its butt.

Good looks(gp)>Pimply scion

Here's all I'm going to say:

I just filled up, and got approx. 20mpg on a STOCK GTP driving around the CITY. All I did was not rev it to 3000rpms like I normally do. (I wish I could tell you exactly what I got, but I left the receipt in my shirt pocket...which is now in the wash. ) I haven't even done any of the mpg-improving mods yet.

So, I don't feel that paying a bunch more a month for a new car just to slightly save on gas is worth it, not for me. Besides, I wouldn't give up the power...until they can make a hybrid or electric car as powerful & still as cheap as a sports car, I'll stick with gasoline.

If commuting was an issue (with it's not for me, thank God) then I would look into moving or a new job before a new car.

You don't want me to go there. That's a very sore subject with me. We have the ABILITY to produce enough oil annually from various sources to make a huge difference. We wouldn't be totally self reliant but we would have more power over prices. We'd have the ability to say screw you long enough that foriegn pocket books would start to take a beating and come crawling back with hat in hand.

Ya sounds like the mileage I get, not good enough for me though. Here is what the 2008 Xd looks like.
http://www.carspace.com/hudsonthedog/Albums/2007NYIAS/100_0068.JPG/page/photo.html

Hercman about moving closer, tried selling a house lately? Here they can't sell them for far under value. Besides more dense population = more criminal activity.