I understand completely. I would be sold on that GT, too. I just wanted you to be well informed if/when you look at a different Grand Prix.

An M90 can be had for 100 bucks, used, but they hardly ever fail (i've never heard of an entire M90 failing).

You can always add an M90 to your GT. Like I did!

From the way you describe the GTP in question I'd pass as well. I'm talking in generalities so if you pass on this GT and come across a GTP of comparable condition you have better info to base your decision on.

For general info total replacement of the S/C is highly unlikely unless something catstophic happens. Usual wear items are coupler just gets noisey it's a cheap fix and bearing burn up not to bad to replace the bearings or even a whole new snout. As for extra wear the L67 starts off with a much much lower CR to account for the S/C plus with the torque management and the 2.93 gearing the motor will last as long as the L36.

lol, herc. We have been responding the exact same way, at the same time 3 times now, in the same thread. I've just hit the submit button a bit quicker

GMPP???

link?

info?

I greatly appreciate all the info.

Sounds like if this GT falls through I should be able to look for a GTP or GT and be comfortable with either.

hopefully this will all pan out but it not at least I have a good idea what im looking for now.

Here ya go: http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results.cfm?singlepart=1&partnumber=pk12456148 and

http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products.php?id=138

very nice.

I think those will be on my christmas list (from santa to ME ) this year, along with some sticky tires and http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-03-GRA...sQ5fAccessories

thank you very much

and thanks to everyone that has helped guide me during this process....

ps the GT went up on the lift yesterday and came back immaculate! next Tuesday or Wednesday i will be the proud owner of my new to me GP

Yah, they put may more stress on the engine but don't you think engineer's made up for this? I'm pretty sure the engine holds up the same if not better then the GT's.

unfortunately from what i have seen out of some other companies I would have to say no, the engineers did not compensate. GM might have but Mitsubishi sure as hell did not.... go google eclipse turbo or eagle talon tsi.

I had a 93 talon tsi awd that while fast and fun as heck broke once a month with major issues. after 6 months of owner ship and 4000 in turbo/intercooler/sensors/syncros/gaskets/valves and other repairs! I had enough and dropped a new engine in it from an eclipse turbo that was totaled with 40,000 miles on it (complete drop in and go system). 1 week later the tranny completely went, got the tranny out of the eclipse (friend had wrecked it) it lasted 6 months with out issue before the turbo went, 3 weeks after that the engine started knocking and eventually seized a minute or so later..... unfortunately I kept dropping money in this thing up until this point because I was 17, living at home and had a full time job with money to burn. I ended up in this car for $13K I bought it for 3K.... it eventually got parted out and I got about 4K out of it.....

so needless to say coming in to this situation with the GTP I was cautious about jumping on it.... Im glad to hear that GM put more thought in to this than the Japs did.....

I can also tell you that all the mods to the GP will be functional or aesthetic. the extent of drive train mods will be limited to CAI and exhaust if any. however i am considering projector headlights and a nice set of blacked out rims.

the Sway Bars and handling kit will definitely be first on my list. @ 150 bucks thats a simple bolt on and go.... and the projector lights just look damn good!

thanks again for everyones help

im glad I found such a great group of people to point me in the right direction.

Another easy, functional upgrade is to go to 1.9 rockers.

That is one advantage of supercharged over turbo, repairs aren't as frequent, or as expensive.

throw some pics up when you get it!

you know it!

just out of curiosity..... for 400 bucks what kind of HP gains are we looking at for the 1.9 rockers and what does it effect. as in why does if give you HP, lighter component? changes open/close ratio??

I have hopped up quite a few bikes but never got much into cars beyond an 88 trans am I had back when I was 18 (post talon)

however most of the tweeking I did on the bird does not apply to the GP unfortunately

the 1.9's are a higher ratio than the stock 1.6's. The difference (IMO) isn't worth the 400 bucks. I didn't actually feel any difference. That's why I'm going with a cam.

Write-up off ZZP's page:

http://www.boyleworks.com/ta400/psp/RockerArms.html