i dont know i might... what will that tell me?

While cranking, the motor should read a few hundred RPMs. Its more than likely the crank sensor.

Try unplugging the camshaft sensor and start it. The PCM will bypass it.

and that is located where?

The camshaft sensor is in the timing cover, below the water pump: http://mykidz.net/GTP/Images/CrankPosSensor/images/RemoveSencor_JPG.jpg

so if its that just by disconnecting it, it should start up fine? if not going after icm?

just thought i mention that when i did the top swap i remember seeing my friend wire the pink wire for the bbv solenoid into the icm wire harness im going to double check that and see if that might be where the issue is

i cant get the cps plug disconnected fat fingers dont fit, but i followed the wire and it doesnt seem to be crushed at all. im thinking its got to be the icm cause if i should get impulses from that, that is prob what shows up for my rpms and im not getting that

anyone have anything else i can try while i wait for the icm to come in?

are you sure your getting no spark?

I wouldn't use the nail thing, too many things can go wrong.

I would use the second way that he gave you. Take a spark plug, put it in the end of the wire and make sure the plug end is grounded to something metal, ie the top of the motor.

Then turn it over and see if you get spark, that would be a more tried and true method.

No tach reading while cranking? If no needle movement CPS is shot.

the needle doesnt physically move while cranking. you really need to get an RPM reader that you can put in an OBD2 port. Im betting that youre going to get a reading of 0. and then you will be able to really narrow it down

no before this happened when i put my car to the on position my rpm would move a little bit. I was told this was normal for the 97 but now im not getting that bounce...

if i get a reading of 0 what then?

they make specal spark plug testers that one end goes over the plug and the other connects to your wire, and it lights up if there is spark check local parts store for them, eather CPS or something

If RPM is 0, i would guess its a CPS.


Another thing to check the ELEK IGN fuse. And it would help if you could disconnect the cam sensor to see it it works.

Edit: have you looked around at the ICM harness to see if its snug? or anything is frayed?

yea the harness is fine, like i said i put in for a new icm should get it the end of the week. ill recheck the fuses. where is ELEK IGN fuse located? inside the fuse box under the hood or inside?