Hi,

I saw a race between 2 camaros on TV yesterday, they are from an F_Body Club here in Mexico, the objective of the race was to demonstrate if turbo or supercharger was better, in fact the program was so poor in technical information, but the one with the Turbo Camaro, mentioned he went to San Antonio Texas to get this Exhaust Turbo, installed in the Exhaust system and that it adds 50% of power to the 310 HP Stock. This with the turbo won the race.

HAve you heard about it?


Alex

By the way how do i add my sig pic to the posts?

Same way as adding a pic to your post. Only you have to go to your profile. Click on your name.
A new screen will pop up you'll see an option to edit profile. Scroll down till you see the section for signature then type in the same way you post a pic on the thread. Easy. For the Exhaust sounds more like he had a customizer tune the exhaust to match his power needs. There is quite a bit of science that goes into an exhaust system to get the best all around performance out of an engine.

I did it that way but only appears the link, not the pic like yours


Alex

type "[img]" before the link and "[/img]" after the link. But do it without the quotes.

A turbo charger does run off of the exhaust.
Might be just a regular turbo unit he's talking about.

well he talk about it almost as a pilot product, in fact he said that he was one of the first ones in use it, and could be one of the first ones in complain.
I think it was installed near bumper by the tips, but i don't know they were not so specific.

look this is what i told you about, i've never seen one of this.

http://www.camaro-transam.com/personales/aletz28/pers_aletz28.htm

Hmm that's different


I wonder if it's in the rear because there is no room for a turbo up front on the Fbody.

thats exactly what it looks like, he kept the stock hood cause a turbo on top of that motor would mean a new hood,right?. looks like a dam good sleeper to me.

you know FMC kept there stock hood on those V-8 powered T-Birds, i think it was 97 or 98, the years they came with V-6`s. to keep the stock hood because the V-8 was too tall was they had to shorten the F.I. plenums to fit, thats why that V-8 was a little lacking a power..JAT

So...a supercharger is for induction and a turbo for exhaust??

You're right Herc. I've seen it done on a Lincoln LS. There's nowhere else to put it. It obviously loses some performance by doing it, but it' still an upgrade.

a supercharger is a belt or gear driven compressor that force feeds the engine...a turbo uses the exhaust gas to spin a impeller that shares a common shaft with the turbine that compresses the intake tract...usually turbos reqire some rpms before they can deliver positive boost (this is where you hear the terms "turbo lag" or "spooling up" where as the belt drive of the supercharger gives instant throttle response because its being driven by the engine itself. The drag of the supercharger becomes higher with rpms...this is why drag racers opt for superchargers and sustained high rpm road race engines usually go with turbos.

so the supercharger allows to maintain MPG low right?, for example, my GT has the same MPG than a GTP, until they push the gas??

Alex

I've never seen a Turbo unit installed at the rear of the car.
I don't like the idea of having my air intake at the rear of the car, facing back. Wouldn't that cause the intake to not work at it's full potential? Kinda' drawing air out of the intake instead of forcing it in.

Another thing to add to this:

Turbo lag exists because it takes a certain amount of exhaust output to get the turbo spooled up. When you hear of Twin Turbo cars, often times it will be a small turbo that will spool up first to help with low end, and then a large turbo that will lag until higher rpm's kick it in.

SO how many horses is that thing putting out now.
Good idea but bad if you live in a snowy state.
DAMN GOOD SLEEPER, u got that one on the nose
4 T 8......

Alex S/Cing doesn't mean better MPG. The way our S/Cs are set up that under light throttle conditions we arn't using any boost. Thats why the MPG are the same from GT to GTP.

Is it just me or does it seem like that filter is going to get real dirty real fast? Also, that is one crazy idea their. Whats next? Maybe the turbo in the middle of the car with the filter inside the cabin?

I've mentioned this to a couple of people, and the first thing they have noticed is the filter placement, in the rear pointing back, which would cause more of a vacuum out of the intake tube, at speed, instead of allowing air to flow efficiantly in the tube.

I think the draw of the turbo would over come any vacuum created by the car. The only other thing to do would be to put a NACA scoop in the fender. I'm assuming this is out of the question if he put the turb there because he didn't wanna lose the stock hood.

The turbo will be affected by having to overcome the vacumn created. Hence the word "overcome."

I saw why not just put it in the cabin. That thing has got to sound cool. Good conversation piece too.

Goto http://www.ststurbo.com/

It has nothing (or very little) to do with fit... read the site.

As for Turbo vs Supercharger... the arguement has run on for decades and my only answeer is this..

Top Fuel Dragsters Run SUPERCHARGERS! and they go 1320 feet faster than most Turbos can get to 60MPH

I am a Supercharger lover and always will be

The correct SC for the correct car can be just as good if not better than a Turbo!

http://www.jccustomz.com/images/SV400020.JPG

On a GP, you can mount the turbo in the back.
Here is some more info.
http://www.jccustomz.com//PontiacTGP.html

A turbo and super charger are both forced induction systems. Turbos are operated by exhaust gasses and do not use any of the engines horsepower to operate. As for turbo lag, well there are safe and cheap, ie $10-15, ways to take care of turbo lag. Superchargers are belt driven, just like your air conditioner. As with anything else that is belt driven, they do require using some engine horsepower to operate, but there is no lag. As for exhaust size, on a turbo car, bigger is better. While n/a engines require some amount of backpressure to run right, turbo engines do not.