That's right. Don't talk crap about my engine. Where is 3100 engine fire? That's right. SE owner don't have any engine fire.

You're right palsut; your engine, instead of burning on the outside, grenades itself on the inside. Wow it's so much better, I'm gonna swap my 3800 out for a 3.1 first thing tomorrow! :rolleyes:

Seriously, you constantly complain about how everyone teases you about your motor and then you go and make a post like this... I have absolutely no sympathy for you, you bring it all on yourself.

Hey, it is not about hater. Everyone know I'm playing around.

palsut thats not cool. i want a l67

I didn't make that. I found this picture from other website. I thought it was funny.

First off, they already did stop making the motor.

Second, Get a grip man. You seriously just like to stir the pot and piss everyone off. Go back to being slow and getting the same gas mileage we do.

lol

That's good they stop make it.

Oh please. That's not true. You all get 250-300 mileage in full gas tank. I get 500 mileage in full gas tank. It is all about different driving habit. Sad but true fact...

There is mine.

464/15 = 30.93

Since when is 464 500? That is a huge difference. I will let you know what my car gets when i get it running.

Well, I fill it up early. My car do have 17.50 gallon left so that's 15 gallon that I fill it up. That's left me 2.50 gallon left. I know I have hit some 500+ mileage often under this full gas tank that depend how long traffic light is.

I get somewhere around 400 some odd miles per tank when I go on trips. I have an L67.... I highly doubt you get anywhere near or over 500 miles per tank. Not in a car that weighs as much as the GP does. My Dads 2.8L V6 Cavalier doesnt even get that good of mileage, as well as my brothers Alero with a 3.4L.

Palsut my fuel mpg comparo still stands.

On the highway at 67 mph I knock down 36 mpg. With 15 gallons thats 540 miles.

So is the L67 with the HD trans all that bad?

On my commute to and from work with mixed city/highway I knock down 24mpg is that so bad for 3.8L V6 in a 3500 pound car?

I have driven from minnesota to oregon in my 97 GT.
cruise control at 70mph.

only time I stopped was for gas, food, or bathroom. and I usually was able to take care of all 3 in one stop, so 99% cruise control highway.

and I did not get the 540 people are talking about.

it was right around 450 using 16 gallons(which is still good a little above 28mpg).

if you use all 17 gallons, then you get what is coming to you.... lol.

anyway, I suppose it could vary vs a GTP due to the gearing difference.

but I still can't see 36 mpg as being a reality.

and a smaller motor does not mean better gas mileage, especially vs bigger motor in same car.

I did that same trip in a honda civic, and managed 36 mpg. not THAT much better considering the motor size difference! (it WOULD add up in the long run though). (the city mpg was the biggest difference)

our 4runner has a V6, they also made them with a 4 cylinder and I hear people talk about the "mpg". well, maybe it is slightly better under certain conditions, but towing? Passing? steep hills? (Why would you buy a mid sized SUV with a 4cylinder???)

So my "500" trip reset is lie because I always put zero when I fill it up? :rolleyes:

My winter beater get like 360-400 mileage. Becasue I do have u-bend. I will get new downpipe for better mpg.

Remember my new exhaust system change my mpg very much. I just like that's not normal. It is getting longer than I thought. lol My summer car normally get 460-500 for depend city or traffic light. Mostly, I spend 97% on highway with cruise control on as always.

It is depend driver like Hercman or me I guess. Hey Hercman. Reason why you got more mileage than mine. You have 18 gallon on tank on your older model. Some grand prix have different gallon like 18 (your), 17.50 (mine) and other I forgot.

palsut, I dot say you "lied".

I said 36 mpg does not seem like a reality.

since you said you are getting 30-31, then I guess that is not 36 mpg, right? so show me where I said you lied, lol.

each car will vary slightly anyway even same model, same engine it could be different mpg.

and yes, driving style makes a big difference.
also some tires are better for MPG. Lighter rims, air pressure in the tires. what is mixed in with the gas you buy, big speaker box in the trunk (extra weight), elevation... MANY things can make a difference.

my city driving mpg suffers due to all the hills here, if you live in a flat state, you probably rock the mpg in the city.


ANYWAY, mpg is hardly the main concern, are people buying mods for mpg, or GO FAST ??
Last time I checked this wasn't one of those MPG forums, and if it was they'd kick your grand prix loving A$$ out, lol. (hybrid owners only, lol).

so saying one engine is better than the other depends on what your plans are.

Actually, I mean to StreetShaker who think my car don't make it to 500. Not you jaybur.

Yes, I live in flat state. I never have any junk stuff in my car. I used have heavy toolbox on my trunk but I don't use that anymore. It is now in apt.

I guess I need to sell my 18" wheels because they are too heavy.

Okay, no problem. Show me link for mpg then I will happy to leaving this place to mpg forum :p

You'd probobly piss off the ppl in the MPG forum too.

lol let drama begin at mpg forum. :p

I really want to get Honda Civic Hybrid when gas price is rise up to $4 but they cost too much. I accept that to keep grand prix.

Here you go palsut. Not only will you get AMAZING MPG (literally, 0) you will become even more fit.

Lots of room for customization on the good ol' Schwinn!!

lol my work is 25 miles away from my apt. Sorry. If it is like 3-4 miles then I will be all over this bike. My bike is silver mountain. It is match my car.

Ah come on, is that 21 speeds I see? I think it is.

Chicks dig 21 speeds! I think its mainly cause they can create more torque than the 3100.

lol I can beat Lance Armstrong during race in my car.

Not a MPG race. You lose.

oh about mpg race. Nah I will be fine. I put steriod on my gas tank so my car is super fast and zero mpg

Palsut i'm sorry, I mean i've stuck up for you in the past but this my friend is def a fail thread. Like willy wonka once said "You Lose!", "Good Day sir!".

Steroids are not allowed in those races, are you new? You're DQ'ed.

I think someone should honestly lock this thread, its already gone nowhere fast.

Why? This thread was meant for this...this is what Palsut wanted.

It was a jab at 3800's, on a forum that is populated with 3800's. What do you think he expected us to say?

Why can we not poke good fun at Palsut? It's not like he takes it too seriously. Neither do most of us for the most part.

We iz in dee intra webz. Take it easy.

Yah, a majority of us will take it lightly and move on but I can see some issues with others not taking it so lightly..

Good reason to not get 3800 engine thread is really bad and out of control. This current thread is not out of control and joking around. When he post pink bike. I have admit that I laughed about that.

I know they are joking. They know I'm joking. No harm foul. It is just website message board. If you don't like it then simple don't post/read.

Yes, I know they are banned steriod.

Palsut you just gotta admit that the 3800 with the 2.94 gearing is just as good if not better on the highway then the 3100.

If you backed the 3100 with a 2.94 gear that car wouldn't get out of it's own way.

Hmmm if the 3100 is such a superior motor then why did GM kill it long before the 3800?

I hate to admit that GTP is nice driving. They are little fast than mine. I drove it once at dealership. Don't ask me why I didn't got that. I make fake exuse to take a look gt/p parts for what I need for my SE model No, I didn't steal anything. Just "study" to take a look around if I like gt/p parts. Example like rear bumper, lower door molding and side skirt. I don't know how long they have 3100 engine. I start love this engine when I got 1997 Oldmobile Cutlass Supreme in 2001. That's how I start falling love this engine since 2001.

If I remember correctly the GTP gets better mileage because the Gear ratio of the tranny right? But I would also think because it doesn't have to work as hard at the 3.1 to move the car.

That's correct. That's what Hercman told me about gear ratio.

Do the 3.1's have 3.29's like us GT's?

Yes, they do: http://www.new-cars.com/2003/pontiac/pontiac-grandprix-specs.html

So we will all be happy when palsut admits 3800 is better than 3100 in every way? lol

Good info. blackarrow98gp.

I met seller at my local area for leather door panel. He took this car "galaxy silver special edition" out of junk yard. He has it at his house but he is not selling special edition parts because he use it for his black car. I have seen his car. Not bad

He start this wrecked car engine. It is running good. He told me you could use this motor for your car. I told him that would be nice but I have no place to use this engine since I live this apt. Thank for offer. He looked at my 3100 engine and told me that's very nice. No leaking or anything bad since he work car stuffs. He work Firestone. I'm glad that I treat my engine pretty good.

Thanks palsut, and as far as engine fires are concerned, it can happen to anyone's car at any time, trust me on that. I used to help my boss investigate car fires for an insurance company; some were due to lack of proper maintenance, and some were set on purpose.
I still recall the guy who set his Mercedes on fire; burned down his garage and house as well. He had a hard time explaining to the judge why there were traces of gasoline found inside the car...

Anyone remember Ford's dash wiring fire fiasco?

Now that would be scary driving along to have flames coming out of the dash.

Yup, and I remember Ford\'s Flaming Ignition Switch Recall .
So you see palsut, all cars have their share of problems. Keep your engine bay clean, fix your fuel and oil leaks, pack a fire extinguisher, and wear your Nomex boxer shorts, 'cuz you just never know...

I can't imagine set the car on fire in purpose for getting Insurance Fraud. I remember someone trying wreck this van into the tree in front of their house. They do have on video tape. They send video for "damage" view but they didn't realize they forgot cut off for "trying wreck van in the tree on purpose". lmao they are stuck with their own van since insurance won't help them.

Wow, Ford gotta be worse than 3800 engines fire recall. Same thing like firestone tires on Ford suv. That's shame. I used like Ford.

Yeah, I always keep my engine bay clean, fuel look good, no sign of oil leak but just oil pan. I think it is really "during oil change". No sign of missing quart. lol I will keep that boxer shorts on my mind.

38mpg on the highway is easy with a tune and some airflow mods. 2.94 gears are good for 100-200 rpms less than the 3.29s at cruise. Add to that the 3.8 doesn't have to work as hard as the 3.1 to lug the GP along. The GTP has greater potential for MPG increases IMO.