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#210297 - 01/15/10 10:26 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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I think this video was around in 2008. I have seen it before. That lady is very crazy. I don't blame the children. They are brain washed by mother.

"Thank god for dead solider" sign is too way overboard.

I don't like war stuffs at Iraq. I just wish they just stop the war and get the normal life back like work business instead went out to kill some bad guys. Shoot each other not going to solve everything. Nothing against this soliders but that's just my opinion.
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#210298 - 01/16/10 01:38 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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*breathe...breathe...whooo saaaaah...whoooo saaaaaah...* not...gonna...say...anything...I...promised...myself...not...to...react...to...Palsut's...post...calming...exercises...not...working...
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#210299 - 01/16/10 01:39 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!! @ Palsut!
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#210300 - 01/17/10 05:49 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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I knew you will react different. wink

Anyway, I know I'm not solider because I'm deaf. I just wish this world should have a peace instead war. I know it won't happen because we have war history like World War 1 & 2 in past. Guess it will never end since 9/11.
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#210301 - 01/17/10 10:04 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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That lady should have her kids taken away. I don't know how teaching them that garbage could be seen as anything other than child abuse.
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#210302 - 01/18/10 12:35 AM Re: The most hated family in the world
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Originally posted by palsut:
I knew you will react different. wink

Anyway, I know I'm not solider because I'm deaf. I just wish this world should have a peace instead war. I know it won't happen because we have war history like World War 1 & 2 in past. Guess it will never end since 9/11.
Palsut, regardless of what we want, Islam preaches death to infidels. Now, most Muslims aren't violent, but as long as radical Muslims are around, they will not stop until every last one of us is dead.

If they want to kill me, I'm not going to try and talk to them. The only negotiating I'm going to do is with a .45 round to the face. Peace through superior firepower is peace nonetheless.
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#210303 - 01/18/10 12:41 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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tried by 12 or carried by 6. I'll take the trial. It goes back to: if someone were hit you really hard in the face with, lets say...a lead pipe. Would you smile and tell them that's ok, or would you defend yourself with equal or superior force? Dont lie, you would. Someone points an AK at me, I'm down with sharing. At 2,380 feet per second. 3 times (body, body, head, Soldier, if you wanna live!).
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#210304 - 01/18/10 12:47 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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As much as it pains me to say that family has as much right to their views as the rest of us. Nice thing is we don't have to agree with it.
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#210305 - 01/18/10 01:59 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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tried by 12 or carried by 6. I'll take the trial. It goes back to: if someone were hit you really hard in the face with, lets say...a lead pipe. Would you smile and tell them that's ok, or would you defend yourself with equal or superior force? Dont lie, you would. Someone points an AK at me, I'm down with sharing. At 2,380 feet per second. 3 times (body, body, head, Soldier, if you wanna live!).
*high five* lol
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#210306 - 01/20/10 07:52 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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Hi, I saw a BBC documentary about this family and is really sad how people use their rights for religion and opinion for something as stupid as this. But as Herc said, they have the right, and as I said in a similar post years ago. Your soldiers are fighting and going down far from their families in those countries to defend americans rights, as this people's, so wouldn't it be contradictory to want to shut them?

I donĀ“t think any religion in particular is dangerous, is fundamentalism what is stupid, in any matter, politics, love, religion, etc.

Is just an opinion, don't want to offend.

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#210307 - 01/20/10 08:42 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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Originally posted by Acefighter:
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Originally posted by palsut:
[b] I knew you will react different. wink

Anyway, I know I'm not solider because I'm deaf. I just wish this world should have a peace instead war. I know it won't happen because we have war history like World War 1 & 2 in past. Guess it will never end since 9/11.
Palsut, regardless of what we want, Islam preaches death to infidels. Now, most Muslims aren't violent, but as long as radical Muslims are around, they will not stop until every last one of us is dead.

If they want to kill me, I'm not going to try and talk to them. The only negotiating I'm going to do is with a .45 round to the face. Peace through superior firepower is peace nonetheless. [/b]
I'll play devils advocate this time. I do not agree with what any of these people say, but did you ever stop and think that maybe we have bred this hatred into these people. Why do you think that they hate us? They don't hate us because we have freedoms and different customs, they hate us because we have bases set up in their countries, they hate us because we meddle in everyone's business when they don't want us there. How would you feel if China came over here and had tanks a few miles from your house. They are not they big bad evil people while we are angels.
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#210308 - 01/20/10 09:37 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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We didnt have any bases in Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Somalia before SEP 01. We do now. Why? Once bin Laden was routed, he left for Pakistan. Pakistan in 2001 allowed us to start setting up staging areas, that turned into bases, for the war effort against Al Qaeda.

Once Saddam was routed, the American and Iraqi civilians begged and pleaded us to stay the course for nation-building. Once the bombs started to rip through the Americans, the weak-hearted portion of our country, like the media and celebrities (who have the loudest voices) started to realize that war is ugly and suddenly wanted us to disregard their previous screams to build a functional democracy. Anyone who dares challenge them must love killing the bravest and greatest that this nation has to offer (not my words. though i do tend to agree).

Now that Iran, Yemen, Somalia, and Haiti are all in the limelight, the civilian and political populace are screaming for us to go in there and get [stuff] done. Yall do realize that 82nd Airborne is a WARFIGHTING Division, right? Same with the 101st Airborne Division, which is who I'm assigned to. WTF are Infantry and other support elements from a warfighting entity doing handing out water in Haiti while we have Yemen to set straight?

Oh, yeah, civilians love to talk, but do nothing else. Getting hands dirty in anything else but their own hobbies or chosen career fields (yeah, I'm talkin general-terms here, folks like Ace bear the brunt of none of this). Lets say you have the average American Civil Engineer. That person wouldnt WANT to go to Haiti. It's dangerous over there. That engineer might catch a disease. I KNOW! Let's send Soldiers and Sailors instead! They're used to being in the suck! What difference would it make to them?

Let's talk Yemen. These mother[lovers] harbor terror cells and camps and such. They launch a few attacks worldwide, including US (remember the USS Cole? World Trade Center 1993? 11 SEP 01? Subways in London? Trains in Spain? Bombings all throughout the Middle East?), so America wants the military to go and kick some [tail], American Style. Cool. Until the first American gets killed. Then those wailing for action will start to wail for us to pull out. Watch. I betcha. Happens everytime.

No, Corey, you're right. We aint angels. The military is a tool of politicians when they cant get their way. The military is to defend, by pre-empting if necessary, by using death and destruction. Why must the Hunter-Killers hunt and kill? Because of those that wish to do us harm refuse to do harm by gently lobbing a pillow or two our way.

At what point in US history, other than American-Indian Wars have we ever went pickin a fight? Revolution and 1812 was the British trying to keep or take back their colonies. Mexican-American, my ancestors were trying to disregard a lawful land purchase made between two governments. Civil were the Confederates trying to make the entire nation like them. WWI: The Austrians killed the Archduke Ferdinand and his wife Sophia, that war threatened to consume the world, so we were asked to intervene. WWII: the Germans sank our hospital ship and the Japanese attacked our naval base in Hawaii. Korea: We were asked to help maintain democracy in the South and were told NOT to take China. Viet Nam: We were begged to help the French bail out because they were getting waxed and the South was being tortured by the VC and the NVA. Cold War/Berlin Wall: The Russian nuclear threat. We had to build up our arsenal so that the American civilian could sleep well at night knowing the Russians didnt want to invoke "Mutually Assured Destruction". Op: Desert Shield/Storm: Iraq (yep, Saddam him self) invades Kuwait (an ally), and threatens to invade Saudi (a LONG time ally). We gave Iraq an ultimatum. They called our bluff, and we had laid seige to Baghdad in less than 2 weeks. Task Force: Ranger: pirates, warlords, and humanitarian crisis forces the US to deploy Special Operations Forces and conventional units to stabilize the area because the American civilians said that it's only right. Baltic Wars: humanitarian crisis and persecution/holocaust/genocide. Previously we had no bases in the Baltic region. At all. Op: Enduring and Iraqi Freedom: OEF was because the Islamic radicals bombed a couple small places in the States, so went to bomb them. OIF: CBRN warfare was being used by Saddam against his own people, persecution/holocaust/genocide that turned into nation building after the incessant nagging of the American civilian.

No, I wouldnt want the Chinese in my backyard right now, because we have a stable government that is able to care for it's own. If my country were as bad as Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, 1955 North Korea, 1967 North Viet Nam, I would WELCOME them to stabilize us. But once we got back on our feet, or the threat were eliminated, they's gots ta go! Like we wanted to do in Iraq. 6 effin years ago, despite what the American civilian was saying back then.
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#210309 - 01/20/10 11:09 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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Reason that I just want them stop the war because I hate to see more people getting killed.

Example like US soliders as father, mother, husband, wife or whatever get killed. Pretty sad to see that.

I know some bad guys over there trying destory America. After watch 9/11 live tv, I'm very shocked that they really finally attack the America. I know those crime guys are very dumb to do that.

I have my deaf classmate who live 2 hours from Iraq. He is very nice guy. His name is Shawkat. He look pretty much same as bad guys but I have known him for long time since 1999. When he saw 9/11 attack. He just can't believe his country did that attack. He feel embarrassing about that but I don't point finger at him because he is nice guy. He is not like as this crime guys do.

I just wish just nuke them and get it over but we can't do that because there are some good peoples around in the country.
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#210310 - 01/21/10 11:47 AM Re: The most hated family in the world
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Aside from the history lesson, which I learned in grade school and the barb at civil engineers, which I hope wasn't aimed at me as I have an internship lined up in Afghanistan this summer. I think you missed what I was getting at.

I am curious as to why you think they hate us. They do not hate us because we have freedoms and they don't.

As to your point on "Kicking tail, American style." We are most definitely the most powerful nation in the world in terms of military power and technology, but it is impossible to fight an enemy like them. We are attempting to smash mosquitoes with a sledge hammer. If you cannot see the parallels between Iraq and Vietnam, then you need to go back and review your history. They hide in holes and mountains and pop out and take us out, there is no definitive enemy until they fire first or at least point the weapon at you (hopefully when your back isn't turned).

I don't want this to be taken as any disrespect towards the men and women in our armed forces. I have nothing but respect for all of you (my brother and sister are going in). I just want to show you the other side of the coin.
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#210311 - 01/21/10 05:47 PM Re: The most hated family in the world
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The one and only way for the US to not be a target of the radical islamists is to abandon Isreal and pull completely out of the middle east.
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