#214076 - 06/01/11 10:46 PM
ooohhh no, car won't start!
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Hello All, I need to pick everyones brain. I just drove 30 miles, made a quick stop 1 mile from my house, then parked it for 1 hr. I came out to leave, and car would not fully start. Everything is turning over, and when i pressed on gas, it barely ran, smelled bad, and entire car was shaking. When I let off gas, it died. A few hours later I tried again, and now it just wont start, no matter what I do. Please help with ideas to start trouble shooting. I have 155k, and have never changed the fuel pump, can it be? how can I tell? Any fuses, I can check?
Thanks
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#214077 - 06/01/11 10:53 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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fuel filter, fuel pump resistor, clogged injectors, water in the fuel, fuel pump?
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charlie black 98 gtp sedan, 222,000 and running great with the new used tranny! zzp 3" d/p aluminized dhp 1.0
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#214081 - 06/02/11 06:37 AM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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I tried to do a search for how to check fuel pump res. and relay. I couldnt find. Can someone point please point me in right direction. I am praying it isnt the fuel pump. If it is what is the cheapest one that is reliabale and I believe I have to drop the tank correct?
Thanks in advance...
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#214086 - 06/02/11 10:23 AM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: r.s.hutchinson]
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Assuming he has a GTP, didn't see him say.
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#214088 - 06/02/11 10:49 AM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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#214091 - 06/02/11 12:14 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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Thanks for the pic, on the Fuel Pump Resistor. I will try that. If the pump is not putting out enough, and I bend the tab, will it help out? If i turn the key and dont hear the pump running then i will prob. need a new one??? Is this a correct assumption? Anymore data is greatly appreciated! Also is there some fuel pump resistor issue, I remember reading years ago, or is the tab bend what I read about? I appreciate all your help, guys, recently got big D, and not alot of $ to repair...Yes I do have GTP.. Thanks in Advance to u All!
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#214094 - 06/02/11 02:51 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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The fuel pump relay (#14) is next to the fuel pump speed relay: If it turns out you need to replace the fuel pump, here's a write up: Fuel pump install '97-'03 Always start with the small stuff, like fuses and relays first.
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#214097 - 06/02/11 04:02 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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Thanks guys for all your help. I will start toying around with this on Fri / Sat and let you know.....
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#214100 - 06/02/11 05:42 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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Question for Herc, you mention the 3404 relay to swap around. It looks like they are 10, 11 and 12.. I see nothing about the fuel pump on item list above. Is it the ignition one you are referring to #11? From what I see 14 & 15 are fuel that i will check?
How can I check relay , with ohmeter?
Thanks Keith
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#214105 - 06/02/11 07:15 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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Ok all, Not good. I swapped up 14 & 15. Heard nothing pumping when turned the key in the gas tank. I them tried the bent pin approach and nothing. It looks like my fuel pump is shot. Now A few years back my car died and I took it to my mechanic, and he just said he fixed a wire back in the sending unit and charged my $75. I do trust him, but I know he will charge me about $600 to change it up. So I know for sure its the fuel pump, I was thinking , can I remove the fuel filter and see when i turn the car on it pumps out first? Then knowing if no gas comes through, I can go and tackle changing up the pump. I am very mechanically inclined, i used to repair aircraft actuators, so I know I can do. And I also read to remove the seat to get at pump access panel. Well give me some insight, I do have another car I can drive so I can take my time to repair this. I also have a junkyard nearby that has fuel pumps on ebay used for 80-90 bucks. What do you guys think? Thanks for all your help in advanced!
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#214108 - 06/02/11 08:28 PM
Re: ooohhh no, car won't start!
[Re: keith66]
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When I worked at the repair shop, if a car was towed in with a bad fuel pump, I would turn the ignition key on, and give the fuel tank a couple of whacks with a rubber mallet. This would usually get the pump running long enough to put the car on a lift.
Give that a try first, if the pump starts running again it's time for a new one.
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