Yeah, yeah, I know. The Cammed/Intercooled M90 setup isn't what I want to do anymore, and as most of you have seen, I am selling all of it.

New setup time:

Holset HX52 Turbo
Turbonetics Evolution Wastegate
Greddy Type-RS BOV
Frozenboost 31x11.75x3 IC Core
Zex Wet Shot
VS Cam (for now, maybe I'll go for the VS cam record HP)
80lb Injectors
PRJ Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Custom Intake Manifold
LS1 TB
85MM MAF (2001 LS1 Corvette) - Delphi 25168491
ZZP Gen 1 Fuel Logs
-6AN Stainless Fuel Lines
Z7 Crossover
CXRacing Intercooler Piping w/ siliconeintakes.com couplers
Front and Rear ZZP Powerlogs
And the biggest, custom downpipe I can fit

I just started piecing together the stuff earlier this week, and have everything in my possession except for the turbo which will be here next week. I will post up a couple of pics later, and will use this thread to keep everyone updated.

You ended up buying that turbo? Nice, I wish I had the cash to get one.

I bet you will be 500 whp with that setup.

Thats awesome dude! I wish ya a lot of luck in getting everything to work without any problems.

Yeah man. I was gonna send you another PM about it, but I figured I would post up some pics for all to see when I get it. It should be here next week. Just picked up a Tial wastegate today local for $170.

Nice find. The turbo is huge, I want one.

It was an awesome find. I was going to go with the $600 eBay one, but I was able to find one used off of a Craigslist in Richmond for $350+$19 for shipping. I guess they can be found for real cheap if you just look really hard for them.

Wow, i'm jealous. Wanna do a turbo setup in the worst way. Was about to borrow against my pension but decided to pay credit cards down first. I hate being responsible. have fun with install. I love working on my own car. I also drive a '95 Crown Vic (Interceptor) from the PoPo auction. Thats my daily driver... Pics Pics Pics

Ha. Ordonez. Just saw ur from Bradenton. i grew up in Sarasota. Alma Vista grade school then Sarasota middle. My grandpa lived across from DeSoto Square mall. If its even there anymore.

That's nice, I hope one comes up around here for that price.

http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/1724939516.html

Shipping can't be that much more. I paid $20 from Virginia to Bradenton.

That's cool man. DeSoto Square Mall is still there, about 15 minutes from my house. Small world.

How do you know that is an HX52?

I'm not 100%. It is worth throwing them an email or calling, though. I know that some of the 5.9's had the HX52.

That pretty awesome, so that phenolic IC set up was a sinking ship?

What about the trans?

Not so much of a sinking ship as I really have wanted to do this for a while, and now have access to a welder, so I can save a ton of money.

As for the trans... that's just something I'm going to act like isn't there. I'll just cross my fingers every time it shifts. lol

hahaha

That actually made me laugh out loud.

As long as you don't do burnouts all the time (or once with slicks :p ), launch it hard or spin the tires going around a corner your trans will hold up for quite a while.

Mine was at 15 psi daily and has the line pressure maxed due to a bad solenoid inside it and has had no problems whatsoever.

Really all you need is a stronger IS and maybe gearset/chain so save up for that and get one built for when the trans does eventually go, then you are only down 1 day swapping them out.

I'm excited to see this build, it's exactly what I would do if I were to do it all over again and wish I did do from the start. Would have had a much better and more reliable build for less money.

The only thing I really wish was changed is the VS cam. It WILL be a ST5 when the trans needs to come out. I will not be running slicks at all. I will launch it real light with no burnout. The thing that might get it is when it bangs into 2nd. The track times might not be all that impressive, but the traps should be pretty nasty with this turbo. They are pretty monsterous.

(Not my pic, but this is the same model that I'm getting)

Once the turbo stuff is in the car, and I can drive it, I will be buying a transmission along with a chain (15/16 or 1") along with an IS, some clutch packs, and some other small things. It will sit in my garage next to the ST5 cam until this transmission breaks.

Here we go, the project has begun: Current mood=

Murphy's law.

Why can't you use existing setup and just throw on the turbo?
Like the IC setup, and use blower for the intake?
What about your Pacesetters?

1. No where near the room for another intercooler.
2. I would see little to no gain with a twincharged setup.
3. Do not need the headaches of tuning a twincharged setup.

Pacesetters are being hacked up and used as headers for the turbo.

That turbo is a monster! Its as big as my head

This was always my favourite comparison pic of a hx52. It's funny, a few months ago before I even knew it was an HX52 I was like, damn, that's a big turbo and now it turns out I will eventually run one :p

Yo Randall, What turbo is the one on the left? Some Ford Taurus turbo?

I could be wrong but I think it is a turbo from a stock Eagle Talon. It looks about as small as my friends Audi 1.8t turbo.

Didn't say twinchargered
Are you having a built intake like Regal Steve made is what I meant...
I didn't mean 2 ic, what I meant is using what you already have installed as the ic system.

the water/air intercooler isn't as effective as an air/air. It just shows how inefficient the cores are. A guy on CGP made 80whp more just going from a fullsize m90 intercooler to an air to air intercooler.

Corey built a custom intake, basically welded an LS1 tb to the l67 LIM. Looks good, should work pretty well.

OH, didn't know either, hadn't seen his pictures of the intake.

wow, that pic u posted randall just shows how enormous those turbos are! i cant wait to see one of these in our engine bays.

I see what you're saying after Randall explained it, my bad.

Give it a few weeks.

Here is a pic of the intake before the welds were cleaned up. Looks pretty rough right now.

Definitely not pretty.
Are you going for uniqueness?

Right on man! Good luck with the build. Take lots of pictures!

No. Going for something that is going to perform really good.


Update: Got the turbo in today. It is an absolute monster. Weighs close to 50 pounds, looks like I might have to make a bracket to support the weight of the thing.

That's a must. You'll crack the welds in your mani's and crossover for sure if you don't.

You could easily make one that bolts to the trans bellhousing just below the crossover

Could you go into more detail on what this pic shows? I guess I'm having a hard time understanding it. Looks like a really cool idea but are you going to have anything covering the the intake manifold?

That is an L67 lower intake manifold with the inlet mostly welded up. The big block with the round hole and 3 bolts sticking out of it is the LS1 throttle body adaptor. He is going to be bolting the LS1 tb to that so instead of the tb facing sideways like all other setup's it is facing up.

The coolant holes and PCV etc is all blocked off and he is doing a catch can for PCV I believe.

I'll let Corey give you the exact details but that is the gist of it.

And that's why we keep you around.

That is a real good idea that I think I might just have to use.


Alpine- Randall pretty much summed it up. It is just an LS1 TB adapter plate welded directly on top of an L67 LIM. I will be running a catch can, so all of the other bolts will be tapped or welded shut.

50lbs...good gosh. Well at least you'll lose that much with the blower off the intake manifold.

How big is that turbo compared robthe one Steve last installed on the regal?

Has a vertical TB been done before or is this the first time anyone has attempted it?

Not really sure. I'm sure that someone has done it on another car before, but I have never seen it on the 3800.

I don't know what size his was. I know he had a T67 for a while (the HX 52 is bigger than the T67), but I think he went bigger. I think his was a little bigger than this.

Gonna hava turbo sticking out the top there Corey?
LOL

HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF GOD THAT THING'S HUGE!!! Man, you could slap some rubber around that thing and use it as a mother[lovin] rim, man!

Great pics though, looks like you're seein much less headache than your phenolic.

Thanks Rick. It's coming along nicely. This week is going to be a very big week with the fabrication. I ordered a second Pacesetter front header to fab up a set of turbo headers with 1 3/4 turbo primaries. The intercooler is all mounted up, ordering the tubing for it this week.

lol i think im gonna have to fly down to see this beast again!

Man you got big Tim $$$ too!!

lol what steve?!?

Hahaha. Money bag Brotherrrrrs.
Corey you killing me, making my mod bug want turbo setup

Hmm, I just so happen to have one for sale.....

You already bought the injectors from the kit, might as well buy the rest to go with it!

LOL

Got the second front header in today. Flipping and rewelding the flange so that we can get it to meet at the collector just above where the transmission meets the motor.

The intake manifold idea is getting scrapped. New idea for the manifold should be done early next week, and will look real nice.

Why'd you scrap the old design?

It looked terrible, wasn't really feeling how it was going to come together. Going with a passenger side intake.

holden intake?

No. It's a one off piece. Just going to make the IC piping much easier, and it will look a lot better.

Told you it was ugly

And aren't you just the most helpful member of this thread.

Well tried saving you time and money.
Your fault you didn't address the board before you began fabbing.

Yes, I should address people like you. Who have absolutely no idea what you're doing with a setup like this. How many intake manifolds have you welded together? How many turbo kits have you made?

I will be sure to address you every step of the way after this to make sure you don't let me make any mistakes. :rolleyes:

You're always saying people can't take jokes.
I was throwing in some sarcasm about addressing the board.
You've heard worse from Fred.
I just figured you wanted a fast car yet you'd like to be able to open the hood and be like here is the masterpiece.
I really couldn't see you wanting that after you spent time and money building a sweet phenolic setup to rush and put a strange looking intake on there.
Please Corey don't hate me.

Your just hateing on him because he didn't fashion it out of wood! Lol j/k

~ZING!~

Sorry to bring up an older post but I saw this at club gp:

Ordonez would this work with what you are planning to do (this upper intake)? I know you were trying to experiment with the upper intake..

Maybe this would work, maybe it wouldn't, I have no idea?

Thats a pretty clean looking set-up. If you go with a vertical TB then wont you have to have a prettyhard bend to clear the hood? Or did I miss something in the last couple pages? (oops)

I guess my big question is how much lag time will you have with such a large turbine housing? Granted, once it spools the car will probably lift off and achieve escape velocity, but the ramp up time could be painfully slow (in racing time of course)

Alpine, those upper hats aren't available any more and really do not do anything more than a gutted supercharger housing. You'll still be limited to the flow of the LIM on the l67 which isn't great and the w2a cores we have really hold you back compared to a nice w2a setup or even small a2a front mount.

Tbat, the lag time actually helps a little because it lets you get up to speed before you roast tires. Once the boost hits it spins hard unless you feather the throttle. I will have to get a video up to show what 1/2 throttle and only 15 psi will do to heavy 18" rim's....

Oh ok I see the LIM now (thought that replaced it). Maybe you could find a way to remove the LIM and have something like what that guy did in pic above to replace it? Just another thought.

My intake will be one piece. The upper manifold is welded directly onto the LIM. It has changed a bit in the design from the previous setup, but I like this new design a lot more. It is a once piece setup that allows for no boost leaks anywhere. I might be able to get some pics up as soon as the final welding of the TB flange is done.

Tbat- These Holsets are supposed to spool ridiculously quick for their size, and should get the job done. It is a big turbo, though, so who knows?


A bit of an update also, I am wiring up the turbo timer today along with the nitrous switches. Got the oil feed line tee'd in and the Racetronix/Walbro 255 fuel pump in the tank (Finally). It is seriously just as slow as the supercharged setup. Now I see why people just spend the money and buy kits that make things easy.

So you've got the turbo running? Or what do you mean by as slow as the s/c setup?

I assume he meant just as slow to put together, hence the comment about buying a kit.

One of the cooler intake setups Ive seen looked like this with individual runners to the L36 mani



or somthing like a victor jr intake mani

that is a sweet looking piece of engineering!

I wonder how effective a twin scroll turbo would be? Fabbing up the header pipes in order to pair the cylinder pulses to each side of the turbine inlet would be a royal pain, but the Porsche engines that use it make crazy power with minimal lag time.
Hyundai's new direct-injected turbo four uses a twin scroll and is thumping 274hp from 2.0L (along with 269 ft/lb torque @ 4500)
I know DI and quad valves contribute to those figures but it is a 75hp boost over the stock 2.4L DI engine.
A good flowing custom intake manifold (like Chris posted) along with a properly plumbed twin scroll w/a2a IC would be real trans killer

A2A > W2A all day everyday.

You would be surprised how nice of a vacuum you get in a FMIC setup, as long as there are no boost leaks :p

Chris, that is the next step. We already have the design made up, but it's a lot of money in fabbing and metal, so that will come when the head gaskets blow and I throw the ST5, ported heads, 130's, and head studs in there.

That does make some good sense Corey to eliminate boost leaks doing it that way, as long as it doesn't interfere with changing things and getting to stuff.

Yeah. The only real bolts that we have to wary of are the LIM bolts, which isn't much of a problem as long as you plan around it. The TB flange will be even easier to get to then the stock one, as it should be out by itself away from everything.

If your worried about boost leaks just weld all the pipes together and use only 4 couplers i.e from the turbo, into the ic, from the ic, to the tb. To be honest though with long enough couplers that aren't garbage you shouldn't leak.

And on the tb flange im assuming it isn't directly mounted to you intake mani anymore and that you placed it further away?

Not much of an update, but I mounted the turbo timer in the center console. (I know, I know, cool story bro)



Edit: Almost forgot, I also finished up the wiring and such in the trunk.

Just saw this.. no, it it mounted a off of the intake manifold, as it makes a 90* bend out of the LIM with the TB flange facing the passenger side now.

What sort of shot are you running Corey? Wet/dry?

I've been looking into a nitrous kit, just dont even know where to look for parts for a budget build.

I'm probably going to run a 75-100 shot, wet. I got huge injectors in plans of running a dry shot, but don't need them with the wet kit, so I'm going to be able to run e85 when it becomes available around here. I got the kit for $375 shipped on clubgp in the for sale section.

Thats a nice deal. Wow! Volvo truck turbo, E85, and nitrous?

Thats gonna be wild my friend, I might post on CGP.

You're going to need one killer ass tune bro. Not some backyard change some tables street tune. What are your boost plans? How much cfm per psi does that thing push? Really consider the setup dude before you spray it.

Your build but id try to push as much as I could out of the turbo before spraying it with that much. Your going to be creeping up a dangerous road dude.

GL with the trans aspect too. Shit is no longer cheap where you're going. And take it from me swapping stock trans every time is NOT worth it.

I know, the tranny is a scary thought, but I'm going to be buying a bad one and rebuilding it with the best parts available to me while I wait on this one to grenade. Once the tranny goes, I will be going with the ST5, 130's, etc.

The tune is going to be a lot of work, but I think I can handle it. The spray isn't going to be coming for a while, it's just there so I can be ready when I'm not happy with it anymore. I think I'll be happy with the Holset without nitrous for a while.

ST5 is great but if your going to do head work id see if Matt could get you the grind specs on their higher race cams.

Sucky thing is there are no best parts because they haven't found a way to retrofit the chains available yet...

The setup looks promising dude have fun with it. I'd do meth before doing nitrous imo. Lots safer and will make more power without dropping a chunk of change everytime you refill lol.

I'm glad someone is going for big power again lol.

I miss my gp but ill live my dreams of 500whp in a gp through this one lmao.

Well feel good that both of ya can do engine mods. I can't even install headers without messing up something or ruining something.

Pick up a cheap GP and build it like this. I'm going to be picking up a cheap set of heads and porting them myself, along with the transmission and doing it myself, but the hard parts alone on these things aren't cheap.

As for the chain, I'm aware, but hopefully someone figures something out by the time I'm ready to go.

Welder went by my house today so I didn't have to drive home for a quick test fit. The rear header is ready to go, and the y-pipe to the turbo should be done early next week, along with the intake manifold.

So in a few weeks when I head home it should be ready to go through some final mounting.

Then it's onto the downpipe and the intercooler piping.

Cant wait to see this thing finished..

Well, this has turned into another one of my never ending projects.

Still waiting on machine time for the TB flange on the intake manifold. Should be able to get some exhaust work done next weekend.

Hopefully it's only a few more weeks.

When he starts this thing up I'll be able to hear the compressor intake rush all the way up here in VA. Along with the crys of small animals and the occasional errant child playing near his house.

j/k Corey, but I'm willing to bet it will make a ferocious howl when it spools (like a 747 taking off?) I'm guessing it will raise an eyebrow or two at the strip as well...maybe we have to start calling you "Turbonez" ??

Uh oh... apparently a downpipe is necessary, lol. We have no room for it with these custom headers.

Gotta figure something out...

In other news, the intake manifold is done, just finished mounting it for the first time. It fits great and looks good, too. It will go on permanently Monday night or Tuesday.

Going to be ordering some aluminum for the intercooler stuff this week.

downpipe won't fit even with the smaller brake booster?

where doesn't it fit?

lol pics or the intake mani never happened! haha jk.

It won't fit anywhere, even with the smaller brake booster... The rear headers take up the entire spot where the DP would normally go. I will take some pictures tonight/tomorrow to try and get some ideas.

Soon. Gotta do a few more things to it and finish painting. Hopefully tomorrow.

Track or street car? Nvm I had a very bad idea lol

You ever think about rotating the turbo? Having the exhaust facing the headlight? Not the nicest looking setup but it fixs that issue. I know of 2 people who did a setup like that. They had to add an extra flex but it worked.

Just sayin its an option. My other idea was much more extreme

Out the fender

I want it to be a drag car that gets driven on the street. Do you have a picture of the headlight setup?

I'm really trying to get it under the car, but I'm going to have to do some cutting, I think.

As you can see by these next 4 pics, the headers cover the whole tunnel. Looking for some clever ideas.





And here's a couple for fun.

Curious.

I wonder who has the longest running turbo out there.

either youre gonna have to scrap the rear header for a more compact set-up or you may have to exit the exhaust through the fenderwell behind the front tire.

No, scratch that, you'll be too close to the incoming fuel lines.

Turbo zoomie stack going thru the hood?

Intake manifold is bolted in for the final time as of earlier tonight. Looks great, pics tomorrow.

Gonna clean up some wiring mess tomorrow, too.

Gotta do an LIM job on a 3400 tonight. Yuck.

How about a remote mount turbo? Not the best set up but...

No, they suck. In every way.

And that would still defeat the purpose of the turbo headers he made.

I think the best thing to do is redo the rear header. Shorten the primaries before the collector to bring it closer to block and sweep them down to give more room between the master cylinder and valve cover to fit the 3" dp.

Even with what Chris said it is so much more work than just redoing the rear header.

Since were on the turbo topic, is it possible to run a single turbo with an A2A FMI without having a passenger side TB? Ive always wondered, That would be a TON of plumbing.

The cartuning kit is like that, I think.

Umm, all vendors kits are like this. The stattama, z7, z3 and cartuning kits are setup for a driver side TB. It's not that much more piping than a pass side tb.

My cartuning intercooler:




New treadstone intercooler (these are Tengis' pics but mine is set up very similarly, he is using a tangential turbo and mine is an on-center)


My lower pipes are tucked up behind the ic, they don't have lower like these do and I am using the same intercooler however it sits a little lower.

pics! lol

what is the red thing that sits right above the turbocharger in the third pic

blow off valve I believe

HKS SSQV blow off valve.

Finally some pics.

Very nice, just like a stattama setup but about $450 cheaper.

wait so your not running a s/c anymore?(ordeonez)

Nope.

why not

Probably because everyone knows that M90 builds hit a wall and turbos make the huge power.

The thread name says "Turbo Setup"

I think *nearly* everyone who has gone turbo, was supercharged first.

The M90 can only take you so far. Even the hybrid M112 hits a wall early.

If I was building the ultimate track car I'd go turbo as well.

For street use fun stuff etc I'll keep the S/C. Love the instant low end torque plus it just looks cool.

Good thing for nearly :p

I had you in mind when posting that haha.

wouldnt both make alot of power like a s/c and a turbo build?

Yes, but you can make just as much, probably more since you can have a better intake, with a turbo only.

And it's not nearly as hard or complicated as twin-charge.

so if im not making a super track car and more a street racer just use my s/c for a while

pretty much. for the most part, supporting mods and reducing pulley diameter will be more than ample to hold your own on the street, and, if you stay off the happy pedal, might even increase your fuel mileage.

Depends on your definition of a street car

Just because the car needs slicks doesn't mean you can't drive it on the street.

well the fastest thing i need to beat is some kid with his dads 350z sooo what do ineed to beat him

Whats done to the Z?

probably nothing i think its his dads car i think i could beat him now cause he cant shift so no nothing or if there is soemthing its minor like a cold air intake but nothing bigger

And this project is back underway a bit as I got a break from school until the middle of January and then graduation. So I have to get moving on this.

Ordered front and rear powerlogs along with a Z7 crossover through the For Sale section of ClubGP. Also ordered a kit to finish the intercooler piping.

All that is left (I think) is the downpipe.

its about time! haha jk, i cant wait to see the final product.

what are you doing about the "black vinyl car wrapping" project?

The vinyl is a PITA. I'm not sure what I'll do with that. Once I get it running I might try to find a better material to wrap it with, as this stuff sucks to work with.

BTW, that Matt Berger guy is impossible to get a hold of. lol. I have all of the intercooler piping and the hot side piping except his part (rear plog) that I can't seem to track down.

did you send him money already?

longest. build. ever. lol.

I hope it lasts longer than either of mine did. You'll love 3rd gear.

Nope, screw it. I found another one. Thanks for trying to help out, though.



Dude, you're telling me. I literally see the car for 5 days a year, though. So the hours into it isn't so bad, it's the amount of time they are stretched out over.

Cool looking build!
I'll have to keep my eye on this.

Intercooler piping is just about done.
Wiring is all cleaned up and tucked away nicely.
The front powerlog is on with the crossover sitting there ready for the rear powerlog that should be here next week along with some silicone couplers to finish up the piping.

I guess it's progress.

I think I'm gonna order some projectors for it, too. Any of you guys have a preference? I really don't want them to have any amber in them, but I don't know anything about them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/97-03-Grand-Prix-CCFL-Halo-Black-Projector-Head-Lights-/250891599934?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3AGrand+Prix&vxp=mtr&hash=item3a6a4e003e

those are the ones that you would want. theyre the same that i had on my gt. they dont have the chrome corners, its all black and itll look real good. Also, glad to see you making some decent progress!

Done yet?


^^^ HX-50 ^^^

It's in!

but does it run?