Which ones you going with, Pacesetters? Who you buying them from. If so, make sure you go to NAPA and get those special clamps, Ordonez and Lonzergling know what clamps to get. Try the search it is in there somewhere.

im got the pacesetters from zzp, its said that they come with everything needed, i paid the extra 40-something to get the zzp package and not the ones directly from pacesetter, another question i have is how hard is it to unbolt the rear manifold, just remove the mounts and roll the motor foward im guessing.

Yah, just you can't see really what you are doing. The bolt under the egr tubing is a 10mm, the others should be all 13mm. I just use a 1/2" socket, but go with a 13mm. Anything else let us know. I don't know anything about the Pacesetters, but they are a PITA. But there are some on here that can help you out with those.
Did you get the coated ones or just regular ones?

i just got the regular ones, i looked into those easy seal clamps, im going to get those because they are highly suggested by many here, how many should i get, they are pretty cheap, i want to do this right so there arent any problems later

I heard two, but not positive. So you got the black ones, huh. Many pics please!

oh deffinetly, ill take lots, like you did when you did your headers, il try to do i video sound clip, if i can figure out how to with my digi camera and post it on phot bucket

STart it up open Pacesetter style, you won't regret the noise, ROFL!

kind of like you did before i finish off the rest of the piping just to enjoy the loudness for a moment?

for the video your talking about right?

IF you want or just to hear the disturbance.

consider it done then, ill have to play with my camera and test it out on some garbage video clips so when it comes down to crunch time ill get it right.

None of the NAPAs around here carry them. Already tried getting my hand on those. I'm still running what they've supplied.

Open Pacesetters sound like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axLibsNhMpc

Exactly how it sounds, and try going up a bridge, or driving on the highway like Corey had to, it isn't kind!

i seen them on another site online, they where 7 and some change, so not that expensive, ill get a couple just incase.

Pacesetter tips
1. DO NOT use the clamps that they supply. Use the clamps from car quest, they are like a sleeve that each have 2 bolts on them. One on each end. You will need 2 of them. And use LOTS of copper RTV.
2. You have to start the car on open headers, just to understand how crappy and loud the 3800 is.
3. Be prepared to bust your knuckles on the rear manifold, you can see what you are doing, so it makes things pretty difficult.
4. Your egr tube 9 times out of 10 doesnt fit in the hole, so just use a few pennies and delete it, if you have access to a tuner just delete the codes.
5. Set aside a lot of time to do them. I did mine when i did my top swap so it took a few days, but its going to take you the better part of a day to do it.
6. ZZP doesnt fix anything. They supposedly expand one of the pipes, but it doesnt matter, they wont seal. I welded mine instead.

I have to go to class, but i can post up more later.

i did my pacesetters, it was tough to do hence it taking eight hours tonight. well....headers make the car sound like garbage, sorry no picks or open header sound clip, i was soo in the zone and wanted to get it over with. they leak like crazy when i go home next weekend ill have the leaks welded, is it ok to open the car up if it leaks or should i grandma it till they are welded?