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#43104 - 03/03/04 11:46 AM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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The hardest part was trying to fit my hand over the tire to hold the bracket up while I threaded the nut onto the stud to hold it in place. And my link above was for the entire GM handling kit. The only diff between the GM sways and the rest is GM uses hollow sways the rest are solid. Some oversized solid bars have been know to break parts due to the over stiff. If your not gonna take it autocrossing then the GM parts will do you just fine. smile
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#43105 - 03/03/04 11:58 AM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Ok, thanks, HercMan,

Thats what I was wondering because the price difference between the GM kit ($119) and the BMR kit ($919) is quite astronomical.

I understand that the BMR is probably better quality, but $800 worth of quality???

I may start with the GM kit, is that what you have in your 98?
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#43106 - 03/03/04 04:11 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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What's in the GM kit? The BMR has everything. Everything. Look it up. It has like twelve different components. I just got the front STB and the rear sway with urethane bushings. Paid around 290. Worth every penny. The 919 package has front and rear sways, front and rear trailing arms, front and rear STB's, and other stuff that I can't remember. It's not just the stb.
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#43107 - 03/03/04 06:25 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Kit is for use on 1997-2003 Pontiac Grand Prix and 2000-2005 Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo. Handling Kit inlcudes all hardware and bushings to replace exsisting sway bars and to add the strut tower brace, and consist of: P/N 12498642 Heavy Duty Rear Sway Bar, P/N 12498643 Heavy Duty Front Sway Bar, P/N 12498649 Rear Tubular Trailing Arm Kit which contains two trailing arms P/N 10409660(ARMS NOT PICTURED), and P/N 12456148 Strut Tower Brace. You will need to order an additiona STB for the rear same PN as above


the whole kit is $119 my original post on page one is the link to it. As of this time I only have the STBs but I will be getting the rest of the kit in the near future.
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#43108 - 03/03/04 08:17 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Well, I just got done biting the bullet and just drilling out the strut towers to attach the front brace. I just figured that this is the way the Buicks have them installed from the factory, so it can't hurt to drill a couple holes, as long as they're nicely done and straight. It fit nicely, and took a total of only 20 minutes or so. Not as painful as I thought.
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#43109 - 03/04/04 12:24 AM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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I just ordered the GM handling kit. I will be installing it in about 2 weeks. One question: what size drill did you use to make the holes for the front STB?
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#43110 - 03/04/04 10:49 AM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Hi Adam,

Do you notice a handling difference with the Buick STB? I've just got the Buick bar on the rear struts right now, I and I remember noticing that it tightened the rear end up (no jokes!), but I haven't put on the front one yet (waiting to pay off car to have the extra $$$).

I've been told that the front one makes a pretty big diff!

I've got a buddy of mine at a Pontiac dealership checking what his employee price on the GM kit is.
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#43111 - 03/04/04 11:42 AM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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I forgot what size bit it was. I just took the stud and matched it to the bit that I needed. I didnt pay attention to the size.
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#43112 - 03/04/04 01:35 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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I didn't pay attention to size of bit, either. I just matched it up to the studs. Yes, I can say I noticed a slight difference with the bar only; if I would've paid more for it I may have been dissapointed. I just ordered the bar from my GM dealer; my cost was about $17.00, and it included everything needed to bolt it up to the strut towers, unless you want to use the bracket/adapter method, which would require no drilling. To drill into the towers wasn't has hard as I thought; the whole thing was in in less than 1/2 hour. For $18, you can't go wrong, even if you don't feel a huge difference. The GM front & rear sway bars are next.
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#43113 - 03/04/04 05:03 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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for those of you who have put the buick bar on the rear stut towers, Im assuming you reamed out one of the holes and bolted it on with one of the strut bolts correct?

anything to watch out for when doing this? Did it go upside down or right side up? I havent looked out back yet but have two buick bars laying around and all this talk has me wanting to get off my A## and install them.
thanks
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#43114 - 03/04/04 08:02 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Yeah, if you've already got them for basically free, put em in! I haven't looked into the rear bar yet, either. If you do so, let me know how it mounts up. I don't know if the ones you have are still attached to cars or not, but you may need to get the mounting studs and nuts for the front from the dealer. They're super cheap; just have them look them up for an '01 Regal/Century. You can just use bolts I guess, but for the same price you can do it factory-style.
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#43115 - 03/04/04 08:13 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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no both are off the car and were on a GTP but the front was drilled into the shock towers. I didnt seen how teh rear one was attached so I thought Id ask to see if anyone had done it yet. Ill prob get the brackets from ZZP so I dont have to drill and Id like to see how they work out.

whats the torque spec on the strut tower mounting bolts? I dont want to strip them.
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#43116 - 03/05/04 05:09 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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I've got the GM STB from the Regal on my GP, made a very small change, front or rear. I really noticed a difference with roll and stability once I had put in the GM Performance sway bars, and both rear trailing arms. It's way stiff, but a bump in the pavement can kinda toss the car around a bit. Install was a piece of cake, took about 2 hours for all three components
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#43117 - 03/05/04 05:21 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Hello Airdrie Alberta,

Where did you pick up the GM Performance sway bars?

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#43118 - 03/08/04 04:10 PM Re: Strut tower brace, better sway bars?
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Well after 10 months of rattling around in my trunk I finally installed the GM buick strut bars on the front and rear of my car.

I ended up not getting the brackets from ZZP for the front, but instead drilled the holes in the shock towers and used the GM mounting studs. It wasnt terribly hard.

I unbolted the wire harness on the drivers side that is in the way, cut off the stud that it was attached to and moved the harness out of the way. Lined up the strut bar about 1" away from the edge of the opening of each strut tower, (its fairly easy to see where the bar goes) marked the holes with a marker and started drilling. I started small and kept stepping up until the holes were big enough for the mounting bracket studs to fit through from the bottom.

Before installing, I painted the bare metal where I drilled and then put RTV on the brackets to try to keep any moisture out. Bolted it up and I was done.

I put the same bar on the rear. you have to ream out one set of the holes so that it fits over the shock tower stud. It will fit using either hole (with the bar closer to the rear seat or closer to the trunk opening) I put it so the bar fits over the stud on the top hole and the empty hole is closest to the opening of the trunk. That seems to be more centered on the tower. I tightened it down and that was it.

Ive been told that those shock studs can strip easily and you should be very careful tightening it down because when you do, the bar will deform a little as it confomrs to the tower and the studs or bolts can strip.

In my case this bar had already been installed on another GTP so the bar was already slightly deformed on the edges and fit perfectly. I didnt have to worry about stripping the nuts or studs and I certainly tightend it down more than what it was without the bar. I used a simple 15mm wrench as I dindt have any deep well sockets. Seemed to be more than enough to get the job done but it would be a LOT easer if you had one of those ratchet wrenches.

I can say I do notice a bit of a difference. the steering seems a bit quicker and tighter, and overall the car is a little stiffer. Its not a huge difference but one I have noticed each time I get in the car so far. 110 miles so far and it hasnt loosened up and I like the feel of the car.

Well worth $30-$40 IMO
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