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#59492 - 09/11/08 11:22 AM Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
palsut Offline
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My boss and I talked about my car engine last night. My boss is huge Ford guy. He hate GM. lol He own 3 Ford Mustang but he sold it all for extra money. Now, he has Ford Fairlane (NASCAR from 1960) to build project. Anyway, he used race drag before.

I ask his opinion about my car that have 3100 engine. I ask him is that worth it ($4000) for new 3800 with supercharger engine on my car? He says well you have front wheel drive. It cannot be good for front drive wheel. I told him really? No wonder why that I have seen lot of threads that they are complain about tranmission blown. He says, yeah that's why it is not good for front wheel drive. If your car RWD then you could use 3800 engine then.

Reason:
front wheel drive
engine fire (yes, I'm worry about that lol)
tranmission break
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#59493 - 09/11/08 11:24 AM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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give me an hour and I bet I could break the tranny in your 3.1. it's a weaker version of the tranny that is in our 3.8.

his ford fairline tranny would break too if it had more power than it could handle and you drove it like a madman.

the reason they break is because of the power and how you drive, not because it's fwd. obviously they are limited to what they can do with fwd because of the room they have in the bay and suspension parts and everything else.
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#59494 - 09/11/08 11:29 AM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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New motor engine fire is a non issue. Transmission failures tend to be not from power but poor quality to start.

I see your starting to question your 3100. Your car now has all the looks but nothing to back it up and it's wearing on you.

You talked to the wrong guy about GPs. He's a Ford fan and RWD at that and is not schooled on what can be done with FWD.
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#59495 - 09/11/08 11:33 AM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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Well, he is almost 50 years old. He is big car guy. I'm not saying he is lying or whatever. He just don't want me get screwed if I have any problem with new 3800 engine for front wheel drive.

lol go ahead break your parent's car. I would waiting to see that. Oh don't forget picture of proof too wink

So if I'm doing daily driver (not race) so tranmission will be fine? They always break if (drag race and try to blew mustang to dust) that what are you trying to say?

Since, I'm not race person. I want keep my car as "car show". I'm not here for speeding or driving reckless stuff.
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#59496 - 09/11/08 11:49 AM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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if you want a 3.8, your best off to take the mods off your car you have now and put it back to stock trim. Then sell the car and buy a GT or GTP and put your exterior mods on that. That would be cheapest. Especially since you are spending lots of money to basically turn it into a GT/P with the rocker panels and HUD.

I never said my parents SE, I said YOUR SE lol.
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#59497 - 09/11/08 11:50 AM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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and you don't need to worry about your transmission, if it were that big of a problem then GP's wouldn't be a dime a dozen like they are now. Not to mention their are lots of ppl with fairly modded engines still running stock transmissions.
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#59498 - 09/11/08 11:54 AM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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Well, I'm not sure if I want to do 3800 project or keep 3100 engine either. It is depend gas price. Who know if it will increase in couple years. I will wait it out and see how gas price doing and wait and see new President in 2009.

I'm not going sell my car. This car is zero payment. I don't want get other car payment for get gt or gtp. I'm not doing HUD. I changed my mind. Like I say... I will never sell my car and keep it forever no matter what. wink

Hour? You are from Canada. No way in chance you can get over there to try break my tranmission. It might take you like 6 hours. laugh
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#59499 - 09/11/08 12:01 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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actually it's like 14 hours just to get there but i'll make a road trip out of it.

you can drive my car and I can drive yours, that would be fun, no?

the savings in gas is negligble. the 3.8 is just about as efficient as your 3.1. PLUS you get an upgraded trans. And you can't put a price on happiness which is a bigger, faster, stronger motor :p

you could still get a low mileage GT or GTP for maybe 1000$ more than what you would get for your SE. Thats still 3000$ cheaper than doing just the motor swap AND the car would come with a HUD and the rocker panels you like...

just something to think about.
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#59500 - 09/11/08 12:16 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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well randall when you come see me we can road trip to palsut lol
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#59501 - 09/11/08 12:34 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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Palsut I have over 100k miles on my GTP and have had (knock on wood)0 tranny issues/engine fire issues. How does your 3100 mpg compare to my 34 hwy/21 city?

Your exhaust is all set up and just waiting for a bigger motor wink

I wasn't saying your friend lied or is clueless just biased.
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#59502 - 09/11/08 12:58 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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Asking a Ford guy for advice crazy FYI a well serviced an not abused trans. should be able to handle 300whp without breaking ,and a decent built trans. should handle 400whp abusive driving habits will destroy any trans. I have broken axles with drag radials on and my trans. did'nt miss a beat,if you do'nt want a 3.8 o'nt get one but do'nt bother trying convince the rest of us because I do'nt see anyone wanting to swap a 3.8 for a 3.1 ,that's like going from a Harley to a Moped .Chico(pops)
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#59503 - 09/11/08 01:00 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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I don't want to go again for used car. SE is cheaper for insurance. If I switch to GT/GTP then insurance will be high. If I install new 3800 engine on my SE model so they won't know I have fast car lol

My car is very CLEAN. It will be hard to find nice GP around my around. I don't know where you get that for $1000 for low mileage GT/GTP. My area asking for $10,000 for 2002 GTP under 70K mileage. eek There are not lot GT/GTP around my area. Some of them are pretty bang up. I brought like nice navy blue but what about my galaxy silver hood and sd wing? More extra money to paint back other color. It is silly.

Some people say if you are not racing then keep 3100 engine. No reason if you buy 3800 engine if I'm not doing any racing. I'm just doing my car for "look" and take easy driving as I baby this car. That's kind mixed answer for get or not get 3800 engine.

My SE have been over 100K mileage too. No tranny or fire problem yet wink

I'm not sure how many mpg I have. I don't have DIC mpg like everyone have. I fill her up. I have driving this car for work/home every 50 miles each day. It is now over 200 miles today since I fill her up. It is still not reach to 3/4 yet. It is sitting middle of 3/4 and full. I bet it is bigger than 34 mpg.
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#59504 - 09/11/08 01:09 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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You don't need a DIC to know your mpg.

Compare how many gallons it takes to fill from empty and divide by the number of miles travelled.
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#59505 - 09/11/08 01:21 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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Give me a break.

Im not even going to get into this arguement. I hope you enjoy being slow.
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#59506 - 09/11/08 02:06 PM Re: Good reason to not get 3800 engine.
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SE/GT/GTP are the same price for insurance in my experience, having both an SE and a GTP.
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