Most definately going to be my next mod, but not too sure on what springs I should run. Id rather not take the change with valve float/timing chain dampner stress and get some new springs/retainers.

Options are L76, LS6 or 105's?

What else should I get? Ill get the consumables, locks, bolts, gaskets ect.

Do I need new seals? What about retainers? Im not seeing anymore ZZP modd retainers but just steel retainers for 10.00$ extra, are these considered the "modd" ones??

Insight would be great, or should I just slap a set of 1.9's on a call it a day?

You will need new seals and retainers. I just installed 1.9 modded rockers and crow 105# springs a few weeks ago when I did my LIM gaskets. Now I actually have some top end.

how are the lows and mids with the 1.9s? any difference?

I ran 105's with mod'd 1.9's for a while.

I was so disappointed with those rockers that I went with a cam.

Pretty sure the 1.9s really help on the top end above 4000k RPMs.

Ordonez, Id love to put in a cam, but when this mod is about a 1/5 of the cost of a cam. Plus its much much easier.

So what do u suggest? Some LSx's?

Im thinking L76 springs with Modd 1.9s and LS retainers.

Chico, any say on this?

Cheaper = No
Easier = Of course
Worth it = Never

Since when is 4k top end?

How high you trying to rev on those 1.9's?

Do you see a cam in the future at any point?

LSx's should be fine. 105's would be better. Changing the chain and dampener would be awesome. Throwing 1.9's on stock springs would = teh fail.

Im sticking with 6,000 RPM's at the most, no need to push higher on this 96k trans.

The cam itself is still more than the rockers, what are you talking about? Amongst gaskets/time/parts?

I dont see me doing a full cam job in the near future, Im headed off the college after this summer, and I still wouldnt have the money ever for a cam in the next 4 years.

Im pretty sure i will actually never use 105's. I knew they had a bad batch and some broke, now theyre made by a new cheaper company from mexico.

Im being told to not buy 105 springs from people who have/had built cars that run 11's and have been in the 3800 world for 10 years, much longer than the majority of the people on this board including myself. Not that being in 11's means your extremely knowledgable, but you get the point.


You seem to just chime into my threads just to open your mouth, you should probably leave it to the guys that acutally have ran 1.9's and have the experience to tell me what to do.

I appreciate the input Ordonez, and ill look for more recent reviews about the 105's.

new 105's are fine. i'm running CC105's past 6200 rpm with an st2 cam and single roller timing chain. Have had a few 1/4 mile passes and I beat the car every day.

Not the greatest review but I like them. They will be pushed further/harder in a month or two.

However, you really only need to use the 90# if you feel like upgrading springs for the rockers.

Your point? It is still personal opinion. I like crow cam springs but that's my personal opinion.

And ya your right 10 years working on one specific engine is cool. But I wouldn't go bragging about hitting 11's in the period of 10yrs. Just because I haven't run 1.9's in my car specifically doesn't mean I haven't seen my share of disappointing results from rocker setups.

Just because you know people who know what they are doing doesn't mean you can act like you know what your talking about.

Oh and on a side note I think Chico's got 10 yrs beat.

I wasn't chiming in to dramatize the situation I was just giving some advice, you then turned it into "oh those are crap I don't need this and I think my guy knows what hes talking about"....

Ok UR planning on running 1.9 modded rockers well if U keep the revs under 6k UR stock springs be fine in most cases but I suggest lsxsprings and raise shift points to 6200 ,now I'm not putting rockers down as a mod but U will notice little difference on low-mid range ,a good cheap setup is a VS cam ,lxs springs & new stock timing chain and damper this setup will be reliable and give u a broad power range,just mi opinion but with a good tune this should put U in the low 13's possibl- hi 12's.Chico(pops)

Chico, after all I definately decided to do a VS cam, possibly some LSx springs, well see how the money is down the road. Otherwise I can always pull the valve covers are go for it.

Ill be keeping the 6000 RPM shift points, the transmission wont appreciate it while shes getting old.

Its sort of funny how rockers/seals/locks/retainers/springs are actually about the same price if bought new.