Well I'm back to the drawing board for a fresh build (1500 miles since last build up)I have a seasoned block and that's my starting point I want to stay SC and am looking for 500whp ,any input will be considered,I hope to make sort of a photo journal of the build to help some of the newbies.Chico(pops)

wow, go figure, what happened to the idea of the MP112? are you going to gut your car or anything? your doing the same thing that i want to do

I may do some lightening but nothing drastic ,this will be a 10sec street machine to take on the Power tour.

Good Luck CHico!

wow nice nice, i know a 10sec gtp would be sweet but you should think about doing a RWD swap lol take that to the powertour and yes pics is a must

I vote Novi-2000 setup.

It would seem that 500whp will require serious boost, therefore intercooling and some sort of meth or nitrous injection.

I know you said non turbo, but isnt intercooling and higher boost levels easier to attain with turbo set up?

Your ballgame tho...I'm sure there will be avid interest as far as the pics thru various stages of the build.

To be honest, I'm pretty darned impressed with a V6 powered FWD car that runs 12s...then again I am easily impressed (or so my wife tells me)

sounds like a good challenge but im sure the right combination of parts and budget you could make it run 10's. I cant wait to see what you whip up chico, where would i look to get more info on a novi set up?

How about one of the new Eaton TVS blowers?

Chico, the current horsepower record on a M90 set-up is like 530-some horsepower. It's Fred in Milwaukee.

His best times was only like an 11.2 and he has done everything under the sun to get there.

But if anybody can get an M90 into the 10s, it's you Chico.

those new TVS blowers are BADASS but they dont have an app for the 3.8 unless your going to do some custom fab there, but they would be SWEET have you given up on the idea of the mp112? or maybe even a whippie? but yes the tvs blowers are sweet i still have a coupple flyers in my toolbox for them

A TVS might be the key to getting it into the 10s.

I wonder if there is any way to fit the TVS rotors in an M90 housing...

I think if you're going to do anything like that, I would go with some sort of twin screw blower. A Whipple will be your best bet at something like that, as I think the TVS blowers are crazy expensive.

PRJ is in the process of helping someone out with their Whipple setup right now. I know they made a custom intercooler for it. Might be worth some researching.

Whipple and nitrous should be a pretty solid 10 sec. setup.

well, maybe you can figure out something but a TVS would be SWEET !!!!

What about putting that eaton on a ZZP crate 3.8
If you do everything to the motor with that supercharger and an intercooler, maybe you can get there?

What about running NOS?

And out of curiosity, why do you not want to do a turbo build?

he said he had a fresh build, a crate 3.8 from zzp wouldnt do anything really, so its more diff than that.

it would be cool to see twin fullsize IC's along with like a 2.5 pulley then a meth inj

ohh btw what gears do you have? or what diff do you have otherwise i know someone with a brand new diff from intense

First off I build my own engines and would not benifit from a ZZP crate engine,I'm actually thinking of a stroker with splayed 4bolt mains,I am considering their aluminum heads and I also am considering anIC'd Whipple for FI and a small shot of Nitrous is a possibilty,as far as a turbo build they're great but it's just not the direction I want to go,I am just in the planning stages and parts collecting I have acess to a full machine shop and an experienced machinest to give me a hand .Chico

Nice, Cant wait to see this build develop.

Given those factors I think I would check in with Whipple since I think they could fix you up with a supercharger that will pump far more than any other blower given the space considerations. If they can provide intercooling as well then your machinist can most likely modify or fabricate an intake manifold to suit your needs.

Aside from that, I dont know what sizes or flows the Novi units can produce. Either way, if you build a stroker motor (which I think would be boss as hell) then youre gonna need something that will breathe deep to boost you into the 10s.

I think we are all gonna be chomping at the bit to see where you go on this one. No to mention maybe catching you and your ride on Speed Channel if the do a show on the Power Tour.

Complete waste of money

I don't know much about the various options for a S/C just the basics. I'd say those new heads from ZZP would be a good place to start.

I think CSC is probably the best SC for our engines. The 3.8 V6 has plenty of torque on the low end already, and the CSC acts more like a turbo in that the top-end is where it makes most of its power. It should do a good job in helping the 3800 out where it needs it most.

good luck pops!!!!!!!!

whipple or CSC

CSC will let you use a better water/air intercooler system, not to mention won't heat up your air nearly as bad as a roots type SC would.

Novi 2000 ;-)


Your experience as a strong N/A builder will mesh perfectly with a centrifugal blower.

csc plus a whippie ??

I think there's a Novi 4000 kit for sale over on CGP right now, can't remember the price though.

Novi does seem the way to go if that still counts as a "supercharger" for you chico (still belt driven wink wink haha)

I'm fairly sure I'll go with a MP112 kit or a whipple,as far as the engine it will be tanked then line bored ,stroker crank ,30k bored ,the rest of the rotating assembly I have'nt decided on but I'm looking at ZZP's aluminum heads I just do'nt know if I can justify the cost for performance dollar ,another consideration is using 4 bolt mains for bottom end strength,and no I'm not using the engine I have in the GP that will be going in the Midget!!and I have one other project in mind I'm making a Rat Rod out of my 50 chev P/U and I would like to use the LS1 out of the GTO and replace that with a LS7 this should keep me busy for a week or two.Chico(pops)

gosh you got lots of projects, i wish i could give you a hand and see some of these projects

All that in 2 weeks? You sure are stretching these projects out, aren't you?
lol

I was just kidding on the 2 weeks probably more like 2 years to complete them all.