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#94725 - 05/02/02 07:46 AM Re: How many people like this new format better?
John Offline
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Registered: 05/01/02
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Loc: Illinois
Hi,
I'm afraid that we will loose a lot of people and good discussions because of this new forum. Having to open a web browser instead of a simple email reader, turning on cookies and then having to login is a pain.
Having mail arrive in your mailbox is nice and simple. As for the ads I've never been bothered by them, nor know what you are talking about.
I have been on the list from the beginning and in my opinion this is a giant step backward.
I'm sorry that I will now be missing a lot of good information because of this new UBB as it it is just too time consuming and a hassle to use this web based UBB, this is one reason why I've never liked or participated in the ClubGP UBB.

IMHO this was a bad move. Why not let the users decide?

--John
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#94726 - 05/02/02 07:58 AM Re: How many people like this new format better?
dbecicka Offline
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Registered: 05/02/02
Posts: 2
Loc: Fairfax, IA
I agree with many of the others here, I enjoyed the mail list because I could read what I wanted when I wanted. I am not one who does a lot of talking on the baord but I do enjoy reading what everyone has to say. Also, with the e-mail list I was able to filter messages, here I can't do that.
I hope we will be able to have a choice again soon.
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#94727 - 05/02/02 08:36 AM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Redshift Offline
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Registered: 05/01/02
Posts: 172
Loc: Raleigh, NC
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Originally posted by GTPBoost:
I guess you were using the web interface then Brian. I'd bet if we looked at all the membership on the Yahoo list and what format most people were using it would be email, whether individually or by digest.
I was using the web interface. Yes, lots of people were using email. I do believe the emails also had ads tacked on to them.

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Now how in the world can you guarantee that this web board won't go down? I've yet to run a server that hasn't gone down at some point and unless it's utilizing automated backups there will be threads lost. My email archive is certainly searchable too. When I know something is in the archives I don't get it from the ones online, I get it from my database and I never fail to hit on what I want to find. As for emailing an idividual item to myself... I may not find some item of great use right now but might later and I'll surely recall having read about something and then could search my whole archive.
I can't guarantee it, but our provider has an excellent record of never being down in several years and all systems are on redundant servers as well as redundant network connections. This is no small-time server sitting in my closet that is run off a cable modem line going into my house. Its a true, professionally run, dedicated server and downtime should honestly be minimal, if any, and speed will remain lightning fast. I can't guarantee no network problems between you and the server, but I can almost guarantee excellent server performance otherwise.

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I think it's unfortunate that you just decided for yourself that this was a better answer without any input from the people that actually use the list. Yahoo has a polling function, this would have been a good time to use it. Think about it, the last time you posted to the GPML was Jan 2001. Yes I had to look, but I knew it had been ages. Haven't even seen you get on someone for the flame crap that gets tossed about regularly. I'd hardly even have guessed you were even reading it anymore.
I didn't do it as a selfish "screw you all I'll do what I want" decision. Though not with you, I had discussed this with several people and everyone thought it was a smart way to go. So far most people seem to like it better, and we cater to a different crowd than the other message board out there, so its not like its a worthless effort. Frankly I was reading very little of the old list just because of the slow speed and advertising. Mail was not an option for me as I already get hundreds and hundreds per day that I barely have time for. This may allow me to be more involved (which some people may consider a bad thing wink ) but for the most part I still think this has advantages.

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I'll admit this board seems to work nice, but then it's not even close to being overloaded yet.
See above. We will stay ahead of the GHz and MB curve so that it does not become overloaded.

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Actually I think a UBB board would be great, IF you had an option as a subscriber to get it all in email. I haven't seen this option on any UBB board and the cost that is encountered to run a UBB board with the required bandwidth for it to run smoothly has to be many times that of a an email list.
I think those are all things that Infopop plans to build into UBB in the near future.
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#94728 - 05/02/02 12:29 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
John Offline
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Registered: 05/01/02
Posts: 4
Loc: Illinois
If you (Brian) prefered to use the web based reader why didi you not continue to do so and let the rest who wanted to receive email do so?
So far, the "heck yea's" only have 48%.
As for hundresd of emails daily, thats what filters are for.
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#94729 - 05/02/02 01:21 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Charley Bogwill Offline
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Registered: 05/01/02
Posts: 3
Loc: West Des Moines, Iowa
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Frankly I was reading very little of the old list just because of the slow speed and advertising. Mail was not an option for me as I already get hundreds and hundreds per day that I barely have time for.
So what is the difference between getting emails and using their 'slow' interface?

The email list also offered a digest format that would group many messages together.

Although I wish this board the best, and i'm sure you have positive expectations for this board, I'm not so sure it will work. ClubGP.com started out with good intensions also, and there is a lot of useless banter on there.

Since so many people want the list, why cancel it? You can still maintain your board here, and let the list run like it always has. There isn't any work letting the list run (no moderation, etc), and i don't believe there is a fee either.

Just my thoughts.
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#94730 - 05/03/02 12:53 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Steve Walker Offline
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Registered: 05/03/02
Posts: 1
Loc: Va. Beach VA
I personnally will miss the "digest" part. I too don't like the same format that Club-GP has. Now we have two. I don't see why?
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#94731 - 05/03/02 01:04 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Doug Rogers Offline
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Registered: 05/03/02
Posts: 1
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
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Originally posted by Brian A. Marks:
So far most people seem to like it better, and we cater to a different crowd than the other message board out there, so its not like its a worthless effort.
A different crowd? Please elaborate.
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#94732 - 05/03/02 01:56 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Curt Rosenstengel Offline
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Registered: 05/03/02
Posts: 2
Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan
I had to login to check this new Board out. I probably won't login to it very much now as I don't have the time or bandwidth to be reading an online board. I would much rather have a choice to have an email instead. I think you will lose much of the bad content as well as the good content. Reading one or two digest's a day only took about 15 minutes day, this type of format will take much longer. Will it be easier to search than the old archives??
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#94733 - 05/03/02 03:17 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
DeMAN Offline
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Registered: 05/03/02
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Loc: SE, TX.
Works for me. cheers Can you also include MSN IM icon as alot of members are now using it to communicate.

I'm surprised that you didn't use this format from the start.
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#94734 - 05/03/02 03:44 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Redshift Offline
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This is my last reply here on this topic.

I'm sorry to the people who don't like this format, but we made the decision that this is best for now. UBB may be supporting email digests and postings in the near future, and that will probably make you quit yer whining wink

Seriously, there are advantages to this over what we had before. And there are disadvantages. If you hate the new board that much, don't post here. I'm not trying to be mean, but something had to be done and we did it.

For now, this is the best we can do.

Enjoy what you can.
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#94735 - 05/03/02 03:53 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Chrissy from MA Offline
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Registered: 05/03/02
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Loc: Kingston, MA
I dont really like the new list as much. I prefered email each day as Im hardly home and alot of the time read my email from my Cell phone...and with the emails in digest form you could learn 'bout stuff and save it in email for future reference when YOU need it...This is to much like ClubGP which I dont care for. I guess im just confused as to why it was made,in my opinion, harder to learn and meet other GP fanatics. confused
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#94736 - 05/03/02 07:50 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Bob Morrison Offline
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Registered: 05/03/02
Posts: 1
Loc: Parkville, MO
I actually prefer this format. I was receiving the digest and I was just about to unsub because of the fact that not many people seem to understand the cut&paste response. Instead, it was constant scrolling through multiple generations of the post and its many replies. I only received the digest home, so at the end of the day I read the topics of the day wading thru all the topics I had no interest in and trying to scroll quickly thru the previous posts attached to the new posts. It got tiresome and I couldn't quickly jump down the digest to the topic I was interested in.
I opted for the digest because I didn't want to come home at the end of the day to find hundreds of emails sitting in the inbox.

I find this format allows me to quickly scan the topics and jump to the ones of interest.

IMO a very good move Brian!

Thanks,

Bob Morrison
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#94737 - 05/04/02 07:30 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
John Offline
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Loc: Illinois
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#94738 - 05/05/02 08:11 PM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Phil C. Offline
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Registered: 05/05/02
Posts: 65
Loc: Louisville
Yea i like the way yahoo would get an email everyday with all the posts. it was much easier
my two cents worth also smile
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#94739 - 05/06/02 12:56 AM Re: How many people like this new format better?
Mike Kessler Offline
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Registered: 05/01/02
Posts: 3
Loc: South Dakota
It would be nice if an automatic email went out once a day that listed links to the new posts.
It would also save your bandwith because we would only use the web if new things were posted on topics that were a real interest to us.
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